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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:25 am 
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I know this was a hot topic under the previous administration :wink: , but I was thinking about water heaters after watching a segment on "Ask This Old House" last weekend. Basically they said a water heater that's well past its warranty date is a disaster waiting to happen. My 75-gallon tank is now about 18 years old. It's still doing the job, and if it just crapped out I wouldn't mind (as I've gotten my money's worth out of it)...unless, of course, the thing flooded my finished basement.

The other complicating factor is that they mentioned new regulations that might make purchasing a new conventional water heater more cumbersome (new units are bigger due to required added insulation, they might require extra plumbing, new holes for vents, etc.). So I guess the question is whether it makes sense to bite the bullet and proactively replace a working (but old) unit, and if so, should tankless be a consideration?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:26 am 
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Get a cold water heater instead.

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I know this was a hot topic under the previous administration :wink: , but I was thinking about water heaters after watching a segment on "Ask This Old House" last weekend. Basically they said a water heater that's well past its warranty date is a disaster waiting to happen. My 75-gallon tank is now about 18 years old. It's still doing the job, and if it just crapped out I wouldn't mind (as I've gotten my money's worth out of it)...unless, of course, the thing flooded my finished basement.

The other complicating factor is that they mentioned new regulations that might make purchasing a new conventional water heater more cumbersome (new units are bigger due to required added insulation, they might require extra plumbing, new holes for vents, etc.). So I guess the question is whether it makes sense to bite the bullet and proactively replace a working (but old) unit, and if so, should tankless be a consideration?
My old townhome was built in the late 80s, and the neighbor had the same water heater I did and had it since it was built. It sprung a leak so bad they had to replace some of the ceiling and had to bring in a disaster recovery service as mold became an issue very quickly.

I replaced mine pretty much immediately after that even though it was working.

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When mine failed earlier this year it wasn't that it stopped working it is that the bottom rusted out. Bad for finished basements. I wouldn't run immediately to Lowes but I would be budgeting in a replacement sooner rather than later after 18 years.

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Get a cold water heater instead.

Correct.

Then MOVE.

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
I know this was a hot topic under the previous administration :wink: , but I was thinking about water heaters after watching a segment on "Ask This Old House" last weekend. Basically they said a water heater that's well past its warranty date is a disaster waiting to happen. My 75-gallon tank is now about 18 years old. It's still doing the job, and if it just crapped out I wouldn't mind (as I've gotten my money's worth out of it)...unless, of course, the thing flooded my finished basement.

The other complicating factor is that they mentioned new regulations that might make purchasing a new conventional water heater more cumbersome (new units are bigger due to required added insulation, they might require extra plumbing, new holes for vents, etc.). So I guess the question is whether it makes sense to bite the bullet and proactively replace a working (but old) unit, and if so, should tankless be a consideration?

I can not say I have had in depth conversations with plumbers, but one of my inlaws is one, and does not recommend tankless.


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 Post subject: Re: Hot water heater
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If you have good soft water and you're not afraid to do maintenance and you get someone to install it who really knows what they're doing tankless is fine.
Any kind of hard water quickly becomes an issue.
If your water heater is 10 to 12 years old it's on borrowed time.
Replacing before a disaster is a good idea. Don't be the guy who has a 10k ServiceMaster bill because you weren't proactive.
All heaters will leak eventually.

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 Post subject: Re: Hot water heater
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ALWAYS go tankless.

Though if you do go with a tank, a little trick I use to make the water taste better is drop a Hersey Kiss in the tank every 6 months or so. Your water will be oh so delicious


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ALWAYS go tankless.

Though if you do go tankless, a little trick I use to make the water taste better is drop a Hersey Kiss in the tank every 6 months or so. Your water will be oh so delicious

What tank?

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Kirkwood wrote:
ALWAYS go tankless.

Though if you do go with a tank, a little trick I use to make the water taste better is drop a Hersey Kiss in the tank every 6 months or so. Your water will be oh so delicious

What tank?

Thank for catching that.


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ALWAYS go tankless.

Though if you do go with a tank, a little trick I use to make the water taste better is drop a Hersey Kiss in the tank every 6 months or so. Your water will be oh so delicious

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Bigfan was 100% correct when he said that you see HWH (hot water heater) on blueprints.

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
I know this was a hot topic under the previous administration :wink: , but I was thinking about water heaters after watching a segment on "Ask This Old House" last weekend. Basically they said a water heater that's well past its warranty date is a disaster waiting to happen. My 75-gallon tank is now about 18 years old. It's still doing the job, and if it just crapped out I wouldn't mind (as I've gotten my money's worth out of it)...unless, of course, the thing flooded my finished basement.

The other complicating factor is that they mentioned new regulations that might make purchasing a new conventional water heater more cumbersome (new units are bigger due to required added insulation, they might require extra plumbing, new holes for vents, etc.). So I guess the question is whether it makes sense to bite the bullet and proactively replace a working (but old) unit, and if so, should tankless be a consideration?





You don't HAVE to get a high efficiency Heater, they are nice. Very expensive though. You can get a nice Kenmore cheap @ Sears. I'd grab this...



http://www.searsoutlet.com/d/product_de ... fgodTqgNSQ





^^^ no good.. That's reconditioned


Here's a new one ~ https://m.sears.com/kenmore-74-gal-12-y ... lsrc=aw.ds

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Ours is 14+ and seems fine. Our basement is also finished but the heater sits in the unfinished part and the floor slopes to a nearby floor drain so I am not too worried about water getting to the finished part.

Bigger problem is they always seem to go out on a Sunday or holiday. Abt installs replacements and we have a friend who is a plumber so when ours does go hopefully one of the two will come through quickly.

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If you go the tank route, get it installed with a drain pan if it is near a finished area. The problems we see with tank-less heaters is that parts are hard to come by on a weekend. Also consider going to two 40 gallons if you have the room, if they are piped in parallel it will save you from having an emergency situation if one tank ever goes out. It will cost considerably more to have it piped that way but you might find it worth it.

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I wonder what Bob Vila thinks of this.

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From http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bollente- ... 00715.html

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Bollente Companies, Inc. Enters Exclusive Partnership with Market-Leading Mr. Rooter Plumbing

One of the Largest Plumbing Service Companies in North America Selects Bollente's Trutankless™ Brand as the Exclusive Preferred Vendor of Whole-Home Electric Tankless Water Heaters

PHOENIX, AZ / ACCESSWIRE / March 21, 2017 / Bollente Companies, Inc. (BOLC), the leader in residential and commercial-grade smart electric water heaters, today announces a major, exclusive partnership with Mr. Rooter®. This partnership validates Bollente's trutankless™ brand as a preferred vendor, and ensures the brand is actively marketed and sold by all Mr. Rooter franchisees. Mr. Rooter is the second-largest, full-service plumbing and drain cleaning company in the United States.

Recognized as one of Entrepreneur Magazine's "Franchise 500" and one of Franchise Times Magazine's "Top 200," Mr. Rooter's extensive network provides services to residential and commercial customers from more than 200 locations in North America.

The ­­­­­­­­groundbreaking deal creates for Bollente an immediate path to growth nationwide. The trutankless™ marketing team gains unprecedented access to Mr. Rooter franchise owners and managers, as well as vendor training with Mr. Rooter's field sales teams to drive visibility and sales of trutankless™ products in almost every major metropolitan area.

Glenn Gallas, VP of Operations for Mr. Rooter, comments, "The trutankless™ brand has all of the qualifying factors when it comes to a strong strategic partner. It combines an innovative technology with competitive pricing and a great reputation for service. We are confident that trutankless™ water heaters will help our franchisees grow their business by adding more quality products to offer their customers."

Bollente President, Michael Stebbins, states, "We are proud that Bollente will be the first whole home electric tankless™ company to ever have reached such an agreement. It's a testament to the direction of the company and the quality of trutankless™ products. We are proud to offer our products through Mr. Rooter, one of the most well-known and respected companies in the plumbing service industry. It's a landmark in building our trutankless™ brand via 232 locations in North America."

The opportunity with Mr. Rooter coincides with other nationwide partnerships that are expected to rapidly expand consumers' exposure to the trutankless™ brand in the multi-billion dollar replacement market.

About trutankless™

Hot water. Perfected. Packed with patented and patent-pending proprietary technologies, trutankless™ is engineered to outperform and outlast both its tank and tankless™ predecessors in energy efficiency, output, and durability. Not only does it provide endless hot water on demand for an entire household, it also integrates with home automation systems and has its own online control panel, allowing homeowners to control water temperature to within one degree, obtain service notifications, and monitor usage from their computer or mobile devices. Because hot water is such an intimate and essential part of daily life, this is a highly meaningful new "Internet of Things" player in the arena of smart home tech. For a visual demonstration of the tech behind trutankless™, please visit https://www.youtube.com/trutankless.

About Mr. Rooter®

Established in 1970, Mr. Rooter is an all-franchised, full-service plumbing and drain cleaning company with approximately 300 franchises worldwide. Recognized by Entrepreneur magazine among its "Franchise 500" and Franchise Times Top 200, Mr. Rooter franchisees provide services to both residential and commercial customers. Mr. Rooter is a subsidiary of The Dwyer Group, Inc., family of service franchises. For more information, visit http://www.mrrooter.com.

About Bollente Companies

Founded in 2010, trutankless™, a division of Bollente Companies, Inc. (BOLC), was brought to life through the combined insight, ingenuity, and drive of industry professionals, engineers, and entrepreneurs. The objective was to create a line of electric tankless water heaters that far surpasses traditional tank water heaters in energy efficiency, output, dependability, and environmental sustainability, while overcoming the frustrating drawbacks of other tankless units on the market today.

The trutankless™ mission is to efficiently provide hot water on demand by combining smart engineering with forward-thinking technologies that save owners money, energy, and space. For more information, please visit http://www.trutankless.com or call 855-TO-BUY-TRU.

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i have an old water heater that came with the house... i guess i just figured it would stop working not that it would spring a leak and cause damage... so i was going to wait until it dies. will need to re-eval that


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If you go the tank route, get it installed with a drain pan if it is near a finished area. The problems we see with tank-less heaters is that parts are hard to come by on a weekend. Also consider going to two 40 gallons if you have the room, if they are piped in parallel it will save you from having an emergency situation if one tank ever goes out. It will cost considerably more to have it piped that way but you might find it worth it.

And there is yearly maintenance on tankless that a lot of people don't do/forget about -- it is like a coffee maker that you have to descale... gets less efficient heating and can take years off a unit or so I've read.

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Water heater ruptured Sunday night. I was coming home after being out of town for a week. My usual guy couldn’t get out to replace but put me onto someone else. The tankless was actually an option but I think we are just going to replace the 75 gallon we currently have but have it power vented out the side of the house. It’s been vented out the chimney for decades and we don’t want any more damage done to the brick chimney. Thankfully it slowly leaked and went down the drain. Unit was only 8 years old so that’s frustrating. Bought the house less than two years ago and have already replaced a furnace and working on this now. Worst part is the cost to have this done is like double what it was before the pandemic started. Ugh… taking a cold shower yesterday after doing yard work really wasn’t as refreshing as some make it out to be :lol:

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Water heater ruptured Sunday night. I was coming home after being out of town for a week. My usual guy couldn’t get out to replace but put me onto someone else. The tankless was actually an option but I think we are just going to replace the 75 gallon we currently have but have it power vented out the side of the house. It’s been vented out the chimney for decades and we don’t want any more damage done to the brick chimney. Thankfully it slowly leaked and went down the drain. Unit was only 8 years old so that’s frustrating. Bought the house less than two years ago and have already replaced a furnace and working on this now. Worst part is the cost to have this done is like double what it was before the pandemic started. Ugh… taking a cold shower yesterday after doing yard work really wasn’t as refreshing as some make it out to be :lol:

Do yourself a favor and use the proper anode rod, and replace it every couple years or put in an electronic one. Almost every leaky water heater I see has had zero anode rod left.

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Do yourself a favor and use the proper anode rod, and replace it every couple years or put in an electronic one. Almost every leaky water heater I see has had zero anode rod left.


Sorry to hear of your troubles, T-Bone, but also glad it did not do significant damage when it started to leak.


Put Nev-R-Seize on the anode threads of a new heater prior to installation, it will help immensely!


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A hot water tank should last longer than 8 years, that sucks.


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A hot water tank should last longer than 8 years, that sucks.


Yes this is certainly part of the frustration but at least when it failed it went gently and slowly leaked to into the drain and the basement didn't flood. I realize they don't last forever.
The fact that we have had to replace both the furnace and the water heater already as well as waterproofed the basement has been a flurry of punches that have certainly been painful,
but we have put money away to help take care of these things and moving forward, knock on wood, we should be good on these items for the foreseeable future. I'm just glad we didn't
book any trips or vacations the back part of this year. We had strongly considered it and now can certainly breathe a bit easier knowing we don't have to play some kind of person finance
shell game to get things done.

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Signs I look for;

1) Water on the floor obviously as the bottom rots out.
2) Ticking from it. No, not because it's a bomb, but there is a noticeable ticking/popping internally as it's working still
3) When you take your shower, and the setting you have it normally at, is exceptionally hotter than normal.

If you have a soft water system and are good about keeping salt in the tank (I sure as hell am not), this can add years to the life of a hot water heater too.

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Why do you want to heat HOT water?


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He likes it extra hot. The water heater is fine. It's the hot water heater that went out.


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He likes it extra hot. The water heater is fine. It's the hot water heater that went out.


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