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Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:20 pm ]
Post subject:  A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'
Author:  formerlyknownas [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'

Warren wins the white working class vote
Author:  Brick [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'
It will be interesting to see just how obstructionist they are too. It's a thin line between "They do it too!" and "Trump does suck and deserves it!".

I think us Libertarians need to work hard towards 2020.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'


I would expand to say the entire establishment. The D's and R's are on opposite sides of the same coin - anti-establishment.
Author:  Seacrest [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'



They said the same thing about the GOP after 2008 and 2012.

This too shall pass.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'


It's the economy, stupid.

If Trump's base economically benefits from his presidency, he'll likely be in good position to be re-elected.

If his economic policies fail, then he won't win a second term.

Everything I've heard about his likely economic advisors suggests he will fail.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
Tall Midget wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'


It's the economy, stupid.

If Trump's base economically benefits from his presidency, he'll likely be in good position to be re-elected.

If his economic policies fail, then he won't win a second term.

Everything I've heard about his likely economic advisors suggests he will fail.


Millions tossed off of health insurance will be pissed. Have no idea what to expect other than angry tweets. If the economy tanks, maybe I can get a job building the Great Trump Wall.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'

Trump is a one-term president. The working class voters will abandon him next election as they'll very likely be even worse off economically 4 years from now.
Author:  Nas [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:50 pm ]
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The Trump campaign was just as shocked as the rest of us that they won. Their internal polls were similar to all the polls were saw.
Author:  Telegram Sam [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
Kirkwood wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'

Trump is a one-term president. The working class voters will abandon him next election as they'll very likely be even worse off economically 4 years from now.

He's going to have to be pretty abysmal for the Democrats to turn that electoral map around that dramatically.
Author:  Peoria Matt [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:56 pm ]
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So who's on the Dems bench? Warren?
Author:  Telegram Sam [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:58 pm ]
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Peoria Matt wrote:
So who's on the Dems bench? Warren?

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Author:  Chus [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'


They ran a terrible campaign. Trump likely gets slaughtered if he was running against Obama.

Let's hope that Hillary rides off into the sunset. I certainly don't need a repeat of this in four years.

Bernie Sanders was able to get some excitement about his progressive agenda. They have to keep reaching the young vote. That's what did them in this time. 54% of the young voters isn't going to get it done. I think that Gavin Newsom and/or Elizabeth Warren can get the young people back to the polls.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:15 pm ]
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Telegram Sam wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'

Trump is a one-term president. The working class voters will abandon him next election as they'll very likely be even worse off economically 4 years from now.

He's going to have to be pretty abysmal for the Democrats to turn that electoral map around that dramatically.

The same was said in '08 when Obama grabbed states: IN, FL, OH, NC and VA.

It's all cyclical.
Author:  good dolphin [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:19 pm ]
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In a lot of ways, it would have been shocking for a Dem to have won after 8 years of holding the office
Author:  Peoria Matt [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
Chus wrote:
Let's hope that Hillary rides off into the sunset. I certainly don't need a repeat of this in four years.


100% agree. Time for that crew to get lost.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
Peoria Matt wrote:
Chus wrote:
Let's hope that Hillary rides off into the sunset. I certainly don't need a repeat of this in four years.


100% agree. Time for that crew to get lost.



This is her swan song. She shouldn't run again. That is probably why the speech today seemed genuine. I have heard people talk how candidates for President feel when the realization that it is over sets in. Two time loser 74 years old. Nah exit the stage and let someone else take a stab at it.
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:27 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
The Trump campaign was just as shocked as the rest of us that they won. Their internal polls were similar to all the polls were saw.


Based on the small venue Trump had reserved for his invited guests only Tuesday night, I think you are right.
Author:  Colonel Angus [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:27 pm ]
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Yeah, I agree w/ LTG, she sounded like this was her last rodeo.

Hopefully, she'll come home & run for Mayor when Emmanuel becomes the Democratic Presidential Nominee in 2020.
Author:  Nas [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:38 pm ]
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Nas wrote:
The Trump campaign was just as shocked as the rest of us that they won. Their internal polls were similar to all the polls were saw.


Based on the small venue Trump had reserved for his invited guests only Tuesday night, I think you are right.


Kellyanne Conway was complaining about the help they got from Republicans 2 hours before the first polls closed.
Author:  pittmike [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
The democrats have a similar problem that the republicans do. There are so many varied interests to serve it is difficult to please them all. The republicans have to try to serve, if they want to, every interest from wall st. to abortion to evangelicals to guns. There are as many varied interests on the left.

In the internet/twitter era every small interest can be pissed off if you are not bowing down to them. A winning election does better with just a couple of themes laser focused and pounded away at. The war on women was one or its the economy stupid another.

I have no idea how Trump avoided this pitfall on the right. It might just be that he was so all over the place and hitting everything that not one singular thing could stick to him.

We may be entering a new era where the main old fashioned parties can do little at all.
Author:  Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
Telegram Sam wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'

Trump is a one-term president. The working class voters will abandon him next election as they'll very likely be even worse off economically 4 years from now.

He's going to have to be pretty abysmal for the Democrats to turn that electoral map around that dramatically.
That's absurd. The same was said prior to yesterday in favor of HRC. The margins in the swing states are not a real concern. You only need to win by 1. Trump happened to take all that he needed. If he had faced a better opponent (or one that ran a better campaign) this would not even be a consideration.
Author:  pittmike [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'

Trump is a one-term president. The working class voters will abandon him next election as they'll very likely be even worse off economically 4 years from now.

He's going to have to be pretty abysmal for the Democrats to turn that electoral map around that dramatically.
That's absurd. The same was said prior to yesterday in favor of HRC. The margins in the swing states are not a real concern. You only need to win by 1. Trump happened to take all that he needed. If he had faced a better opponent (or one that ran a better campaign) this would not even be a consideration.


Along those lines I wonder what Romney must think about turning down the offer to get in late. He would have easily beat Clinton I think.
Author:  Nas [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:54 pm ]
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Kasich is probably pissed he didn't get on the ticket. I'm pissed he didn't.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
Chus wrote:
I think that Gavin Newsom and/or Elizabeth Warren can get the young people back to the polls.

I'm not optimistic about Gavin Newsom. Think about what a dystopia San Francisco has become now under the neoliberals' trust in Silicon Valley. Now add two more years and consider Newsom's legacy. He likely ends up being the same kind of culturally liberal economic elitist the voters just rejected, but doesn't even have an identity box to check. He'll be Rahm Emanuel with movie-star looks.
Author:  Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
pittmike wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'

Trump is a one-term president. The working class voters will abandon him next election as they'll very likely be even worse off economically 4 years from now.

He's going to have to be pretty abysmal for the Democrats to turn that electoral map around that dramatically.
That's absurd. The same was said prior to yesterday in favor of HRC. The margins in the swing states are not a real concern. You only need to win by 1. Trump happened to take all that he needed. If he had faced a better opponent (or one that ran a better campaign) this would not even be a consideration.


Along those lines I wonder what Romney must think about turning down the offer to get in late. He would have easily beat Clinton I think.

Despite claims to the contrary regarding party allegiances on this board, I would have supported Romney. Definitely better than the 2 finalists.
Author:  Sneakers O'Toole [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
Chus wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'


They ran a terrible campaign. Trump likely gets slaughtered if he was running against Obama.

Let's hope that Hillary rides off into the sunset. I certainly don't need a repeat of this in four years.

Bernie Sanders was able to get some excitement about his progressive agenda. They have to keep reaching the young vote. That's what did them in this time. 54% of the young voters isn't going to get it done. I think that Gavin Newsom and/or Elizabeth Warren can get the young people back to the polls.


What about Tulsi Gabbard? Her star seemed to be rising until she resigned from the vice chair of the DNC to endorse Sanders. If Clinton won, I figured that would be pretty much the end of the road for her for anything meaningful, but now it might give her some street cred with the younger voters. Wikileaks showed the DNC chastising her for backing Sanders and that they were done fund-raising for her, and she still didn't seem all that afraid of pissing them off by continue to criticize Hillary's foreign policy strategy right up through the election. Would President be way too much of a leap for a relative unknown like her? I'm no political heavyweight...just spitballing. Just seems that she could be used in some way to re-energize the party.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Problem for Democrats Going Forward
Kirkwood wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
They spent all their time, energy, and resources making Trump out to be the ultimate evil boogeyman. #ThisTimeItsDifferent and shit like that. Even praised former candidates like Romney, McCain, and even George Bush. All of this failed to stop Trump. All Trump has to do is not be a completely unmitigated disaster the next four years and it's hard to think of any Democrat selling point in 2020. They got nothin'

Trump is a one-term president. The working class voters will abandon him next election as they'll very likely be even worse off economically 4 years from now.

He's going to have to be pretty abysmal for the Democrats to turn that electoral map around that dramatically.

The same was said in '08 when Obama grabbed states: IN, FL, OH, NC and VA.

It's all cyclical.


Yes.

After 2004, there was no way Democrats were ever going to be relevant on the national stage again.

After 2012, the GOP was dead at the national level.

Now the Democrats are back to being dead.
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