Took longer than I thought, but a lot of articles coming out today about vote tampering in swing states and such. Calls for Hillary to challenge the results or some shit. Just when I thought it was really all over.

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I hope she doesn't but she will have about 3.5 to 4 million more votes than Trump once the final votes are counted. I know that doesn't really address your point but it is difficult to think about that aspect and realize she still lost.

I think she will accept the results and I think she should.

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Yes, this is dangerous.

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The pitchforks and torches (and lawsuits) were being prepped in case of a Trump loss. Why should this be any different?

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that's what Republicans do. they steal. we just accept it.

It's hard to take anyone seriously who mentions the popular vote. It's like mentioning that you gained more yards in a football game or you had more hits in a baseball game.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Hypothetical Hillary Clinton won the election!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I had this discussion with a friend the other night. The concept of "one man, one vote" seems fair and reasonable on the surface, but is it really fair and reasonable to allow New York and California to have so much power over the rest of the country? And that's really why this conversation is happening now. The chosen candidate of the large cities and coastal elites lost the election under the rules as they are established in The Constitution. If it had gone the other way, I am near certain you would not be hearing this.

I'm guessing most Americans have no clue about how the process actually works.

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It's also hard to take someone seriously who doesn't.

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Huh? Trump basically stated if he lost the system must be rigged.

Bernie Sanders threatened to challenge the results even after losing.

I actually think that Hillary Clinton will accept the results even if it is found that there this some impropriety. No doubt in my mind it would be different if it were the other two. Their supporters would also be raising holy hell too.

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Hillary lost and no one will care anymore by Jan 20 or so.

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What if someone cited "Total states won"? Does that matter?

The way the system is setup neither candidate should be going for the popular vote. It's nice to get it but it means nothing. Every campaign stop would be completely different if they were going for the popular vote for both candidates.

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It won't take til Jan. 20. Most have aleady moved on. Trump is President and people want to see what he will do. I'm not optimistic but maybe I will be wrong.

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This issue is really not about popular vote. I already stated that so I don'the know why you're focusing on that aspect and not the "real issue".

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I'm focusing on it because you brought it up!

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I also stated that it is not related to the "real issue". However if you factor in the fact that she will have amassed 4 million votes more than him and this latest thing which may tip the scales in her favor it might be something to contest over.

I hope she doesn't. You are the same guy though that kept pushing Emails long after it had been litigated. Who you Crappin dude?

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what if it turns out the tampering was done by Russia

When your opponent is getting the debate questions in advance from CNN, aren't you entitled to say shit is rigged?

How about when your own party is trying to undermine your campaign at every turn? Is that "rigging"?

I agree that Clinton will accept the results, just as I believe Trump or Sanders would have.

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When The FBI makes a baseless allegation 2 weeks before the election isn't that an example of the system being rigged? When they leak information to a biased right wing network 2 weeks before about possible indictments coming down regarding the Clinton foundation which are without merit, isnt that an example of the system being rigged? When you have a media site which purports to be interested in the truth but only leaks information from one side isn't that an example of the system being rigged?

In this particular instance regarding the computer scientists this could be an actual rigging of the system and I am saying that she should simply move on


It is so obvious the bias that some of you have regarding Hillary Clinton. You would have thought she killed your dog or something. She lost and the vast majority of her supporters have accepted it at this point. If they have apprehension about a Trump presidency they should. He is a divisive figure mired in corruption. He also doesn't know anything about running government and is totally ignorant about the nation's laws. People on this board can cavalierly dismiss it as no big if they choose but that doesn't mean that "other" people have to.

It's not liberal bias to be concerned about him being President either. I had concerns about Obama 8 yrs ago and he was not nearly as divisive or threatening as Trump.


And in Sanders case he wasn't a member of the party. He became a Democrat to run for President. May have been the reason that they didn't care for him. He also spent a great portion of his career dissing Democrats as he is doing now. The notion that they owe him anything is false.

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The FBI made no allegations, baseless or otherwise. Comey simply advised Congress that the investigation had been reopened.

On the one hand the Clinton camp kept insisting America didn't care about her server, but when she loses suddenly that's the reason.

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I don't think that is the reason either but it has much more validity than the stuff involving Trump or Sanders.

What Comey did was much more impactful and I'd never say she lost because of that.

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wouldn't be too hard to outsmart people in Wisconsin or western Pennsylvania.

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Looks like LTG can play equivalency theater as well as others.

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I have no doubt that there was election tampering. Both ways. Was it enough to change the outcome, I doubt it. IF it can be made better, by all means, let's make it better.

These elections are rigged. Only rich oligarchs win. If Hilary would have won some people would have higher taxes, and it's likely more brown people would have been bombed. But let's not think she was some change agent.

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It's like the card game in The Sting. Paul Newman cheated better than Lonigan.

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The system prevents change more than anything. They make it hard for legislation to get passed and then everything screams about there being no change.

Unless you can effectively work with other side nothing will get done. Unfortunately when you do that you are criticized for selling out the party. People need to be honest about the role played by everyone in this. There are differences but people are unwilling to compromise and that is ultimately what the system is built upon.

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Greg Palast was predicting the presidency would be stolen a couple months before the election took place: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890.

This is Palast's preliminary report on the 2016 results: http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/.

Fascinating stuff.

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