Took longer than I thought, but a lot of articles coming out today about vote tampering in swing states and such. Calls for Hillary to challenge the results or some shit. Just when I thought it was really all over.

I hope she doesn't but she will have about 3.5 to 4 million more votes than Trump once the final votes are counted. I know that doesn't really address your point but it is difficult to think about that aspect and realize she still lost.

I hope she accepts the results.

I hope she doesn't but she will have about 3.5 to 4 million more votes than Trump once the final votes are counted. I know that doesn't really address your point but it is difficult to think about that aspect and realize she still lost.

I think she will accept the results and I think she should.

I hope she doesn't but she will have about 3.5 to 4 million more votes than Trump once the final votes are counted. I know that doesn't really address your point but it is difficult to think about that aspect and realize she still lost.

I think she will accept the results and I think she should.

Hypothetical Hillary Clinton won the election!

It's hard to take anyone seriously who mentions the popular vote. It's like mentioning that you gained more yards in a football game or you had more hits in a baseball game.

It's hard to take anyone seriously who mentions the popular vote. It's like mentioning that you gained more yards in a football game or you had more hits in a baseball game.

I had this discussion with a friend the other night. The concept of "one man, one vote" seems fair and reasonable on the surface, but is it really fair and reasonable to allow New York and California to have so much power over the rest of the country? And that's really why this conversation is happening now. The chosen candidate of the large cities and coastal elites lost the election under the rules as they are established in The Constitution. If it had gone the other way, I am near certain you would not be hearing this.

I'm guessing most Americans have no clue about how the process actually works.

It's also hard to take someone seriously who doesn't.

Hillary lost and no one will care anymore by Jan 20 or so.

What if someone cited "Total states won"? Does that matter?

The way the system is setup neither candidate should be going for the popular vote. It's nice to get it but it means nothing. Every campaign stop would be completely different if they were going for the popular vote for both candidates.

This issue is really not about popular vote. I already stated that so I don'the know why you're focusing on that aspect and not the "real issue".

I'm focusing on it because you brought it up!

Huh? Trump basically stated if he lost the system must be rigged.

Bernie Sanders threatened to challenge the results even after losing.

I actually think that Hillary Clinton will accept the results even if it is found that there this some impropriety. No doubt in my mind it would be different if it were the other two. Their supporters would also be raising holy hell too.

When your opponent is getting the debate questions in advance from CNN, aren't you entitled to say shit is rigged?

How about when your own party is trying to undermine your campaign at every turn? Is that "rigging"?

I agree that Clinton will accept the results, just as I believe Trump or Sanders would have.

When The FBI makes a baseless allegation 2 weeks before the election isn't that an example of the system being rigged? When they leak information to a biased right wing network 2 weeks before about possible indictments coming down regarding the Clinton foundation which are without merit, isnt that an example of the system being rigged? When you have a media site which purports to be interested in the truth but only leaks information from one side isn't that an example of the system being rigged?

In this particular instance regarding the computer scientists this could be an actual rigging of the system and I am saying that she should simply move on


It is so obvious the bias that some of you have regarding Hillary Clinton. You would have thought she killed your dog or something. She lost and the vast majority of her supporters have accepted it at this point. If they have apprehension about a Trump presidency they should. He is a divisive figure mired in corruption. He also doesn't know anything about running government and is totally ignorant about the nation's laws. People on this board can cavalierly dismiss it as no big if they choose but that doesn't mean that "other" people have to.

It's not liberal bias to be concerned about him being President either. I had concerns about Obama 8 yrs ago and he was not nearly as divisive or threatening as Trump

The FBI made no allegations, baseless or otherwise. Comey simply advised Congress that the investigation had been reopened.

On the one hand the Clinton camp kept insisting America didn't care about her server, but when she loses suddenly that's the reason.

The FBI made no allegations, baseless or otherwise. Comey simply advised Congress that the investigation had been reopened.

On the one hand the Clinton camp kept insisting America didn't care about her server, but when she loses suddenly that's the reason.

These elections are rigged. Only rich oligarchs win. If Hilary would have won some people would have higher taxes, and it's likely more brown people would have been bombed. But let's not think she was some change agent.