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Would the election have been more fair if the public had been ignorant about Hillary's malfeasance?
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It would've been more fair if Russia hadn't hacked voting machines and tampered with the election!

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It would have been more fair if the Democratic party didn't force Hillary on us alltogether.

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So, the ends justify the means, even if the means includes our federal government being hacked by foreigners? How Machiavellian...

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At least the Wisconsin recount went well. Trump increased his vote tally albeit slightly.

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At least the Wisconsin recount went well. Trump increased his vote tally albeit slightly.


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At least the Wisconsin recount went well. Trump increased his vote tally albeit slightly.


The system was rigged against him.

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denisdman wrote:
At least the Wisconsin recount went well. Trump increased his vote tally albeit slightly.


The system was rigged against him.


And he still won and keeps winning.

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well at least hes appointing the biggest corporate power players in the world to run our government. literally hiring all of the most powerful lobbyists he can find. filling the swamp up nicely.

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denisdman wrote:
At least the Wisconsin recount went well. Trump increased his vote tally albeit slightly.


The system was rigged against him.


And people of color whose votes are wildly more likely to be excluded

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Nas wrote:
denisdman wrote:
At least the Wisconsin recount went well. Trump increased his vote tally albeit slightly.


The system was rigged against him.


And people of color whose votes are wildly more likely to be excluded


His African Americans voted.

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How about if Hillary set out only to secure 271 electoral votes. Instead she attempted to gain as many yards as possible while ignoring the final score.


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How about if Hillary set out only to secure 271 electoral votes. Instead she attempted to gain as many yards as possible while ignoring the final score.


Yep! She went to fucking Arizona.

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 Post subject: Re: Election 2016
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How about if Hillary set out only to secure 271 electoral votes. Instead she attempted to gain as many yards as possible while ignoring the final score.

Yeah but I think there was a two fold thing that happened here... Trump voters were not likely to say they were going to vote Trump in polls (at least partially) because the media made it seem so stupid to vote Trump. Even if you agreed with his ideas (or some) you didn't want to defend why you were voting that way because it was going to take two hours to explain it all. That added to the national poll favors Clinton by x% probably kept some Clinton supporters in key states from bothering to vote and boom, you have Trump as president.

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It would have been more fair if Jim Brown had come out earlier.

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How about if Hillary set out only to secure 271 electoral votes. Instead she attempted to gain as many yards as possible while ignoring the final score.

Yeah but I think there was a two fold thing that happened here... Trump voters were not likely to say they were going to vote Trump in polls (at least partially) because the media made it seem so stupid to vote Trump. Even if you agreed with his ideas (or some) you didn't want to defend why you were voting that way because it was going to take two hours to explain it all. That added to the national poll favors Clinton by x% probably kept some Clinton supporters in key states from bothering to vote and boom, you have Trump as president.


Definitely true. Lots of middle aged parents not disclosing their vote to their swj children to avoid having their children correct them.

Going all the way back to Clinton verse Obama, the add she ran where queen Hillary passed out presents to all of her peasants will always stick with me. She stopped running for president and wanted a grandiose mandate of a woman president.

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She ran more ads in Los Angeles than Milwaukee.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2016
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It would've been more fair if Russia hadn't hacked voting machines and tampered with the election!


I know you're kidding but I guarantee you most Americans who are only half paying attention think that's what this is about rather than the simple fact that leaked emails- regardless of how they came to light- showed Clinton and her cronies as the scumbags they are. And now some of them want a do-over.

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 Post subject: Re: Election 2016
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/m ... ump-232547

ANOTHER article about how much the stat jockeys utterly fucked this up.

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In results that narrow, Clinton’s loss could be attributed to any number of factors — FBI Director Jim Comey’s letter shifting late deciders, the lack of a compelling economic message, the apparent Russian hacking. But heartbroken and frustrated in-state battleground operatives worry that a lesson being missed is a simple one: Get the basics of campaigning right.

Clinton never even stopped by a United Auto Workers union hall in Michigan, though a person involved with the campaign noted bitterly that the UAW flaked on GOTV commitments in the final days, and that AFSCME never even made any, despite months of appeals.

The anecdotes are different but the narrative is the same across battlegrounds, where Democratic operatives lament a one-size-fits-all approach drawn entirely from pre-selected data — operatives spit out “the model, the model,” as they complain about it — guiding Mook’s decisions on field, television, everything else. That’s the same data operation, of course, that predicted Clinton would win the Iowa caucuses by 6 percentage points (she scraped by with two-tenths of a point), and that predicted she’d beat Bernie Sanders in Michigan (he won by 1.5 points).

“I’ve never seen a campaign like this,” said Virgie Rollins, a Democratic National Committee member and longtime political hand in Michigan who described months of failed attempts to get attention to the collapse she was watching unfold in slow-motion among women and African-American millennials.

Rollins, the chair emeritus of the Michigan Democratic Women’s Caucus, said requests into Brooklyn for surrogates to come talk to her group were never answered. When they held their events anyway, she said, they also got no response to requests for a little money to help cover costs.

Rollins doesn’t need a recount to understand why Clinton lost the state.

“When you don’t reach out to community folk and reach out to precinct campaigns and district organizations that know where the votes are, then you’re going to have problems,” she said.


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Michigan operatives relay stories like one about an older woman in Flint who showed up at a Clinton campaign office, asking for a lawn sign and offering to canvass, being told these were not “scientifically” significant ways of increasing the vote, and leaving, never to return.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547

ANOTHER article about how much the stat jockeys utterly fucked this up.

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In results that narrow, Clinton’s loss could be attributed to any number of factors — FBI Director Jim Comey’s letter shifting late deciders, the lack of a compelling economic message, the apparent Russian hacking. But heartbroken and frustrated in-state battleground operatives worry that a lesson being missed is a simple one: Get the basics of campaigning right.

Clinton never even stopped by a United Auto Workers union hall in Michigan, though a person involved with the campaign noted bitterly that the UAW flaked on GOTV commitments in the final days, and that AFSCME never even made any, despite months of appeals.

The anecdotes are different but the narrative is the same across battlegrounds, where Democratic operatives lament a one-size-fits-all approach drawn entirely from pre-selected data — operatives spit out “the model, the model,” as they complain about it — guiding Mook’s decisions on field, television, everything else. That’s the same data operation, of course, that predicted Clinton would win the Iowa caucuses by 6 percentage points (she scraped by with two-tenths of a point), and that predicted she’d beat Bernie Sanders in Michigan (he won by 1.5 points).

“I’ve never seen a campaign like this,” said Virgie Rollins, a Democratic National Committee member and longtime political hand in Michigan who described months of failed attempts to get attention to the collapse she was watching unfold in slow-motion among women and African-American millennials.

Rollins, the chair emeritus of the Michigan Democratic Women’s Caucus, said requests into Brooklyn for surrogates to come talk to her group were never answered. When they held their events anyway, she said, they also got no response to requests for a little money to help cover costs.

Rollins doesn’t need a recount to understand why Clinton lost the state.

“When you don’t reach out to community folk and reach out to precinct campaigns and district organizations that know where the votes are, then you’re going to have problems,” she said.


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Michigan operatives relay stories like one about an older woman in Flint who showed up at a Clinton campaign office, asking for a lawn sign and offering to canvass, being told these were not “scientifically” significant ways of increasing the vote, and leaving, never to return.

dear lord


The same type of Big Data that makes people think Jose Quintana is great. :lol:

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I wonder just how much effect the "Latinos are mindless drones" leaks had on the election.

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CH, your post makes it seems as if the Dem campaign authorities were Bernsie saber zombies bent on proving old school wrong.

Anyway, I read the article below this morning. It is about Huma but shed a lot of light in the Clinton situation and the campaign. Clinto according to an insider will blame this all on Comey. In other words, she is not regretful of anything she has done. She is bitter that Comey paid her back. I do not know why Comey did it. Could be her disrespect for justice or specifically the FBI or personal? Doesn't matter now.

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I wonder just how much effect the "Latinos are mindless drones" leaks had on the election.


The Hispanic vote was a huge deal. For all the talk of immigration and automatically counting Hispanics a Dems I never bought it. From personal experience they are generally pretty religious and conservative.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I wonder just how much effect the "Latinos are mindless drones" leaks had on the election.


The problem apparently isn't the horrible thoughts and scummy behavior of Hillary and her supporters. It's that Russians exposed them. Remember when liberals loved Wikileaks?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I wonder just how much effect the "Latinos are mindless drones" leaks had on the election.


The problem apparently isn't the horrible thoughts and scummy behavior of Hillary and her supporters. It's that Russians exposed them. Remember when liberals loved Wikileaks?



How dare someone reveal how scummy our candidate is while not revealing how equally scummy the other candidate is.

What concerns me the most about the push to stop fake news is it feels like its the start of state sponsored media. If people want to be blissfully ignorant with their news, they have that right. Also, if the dem's do push through some reform on "fake news", they do realize a Republican majority will soon be in charge. Do they really want to be giving them the first crack at shaping that control.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I wonder just how much effect the "Latinos are mindless drones" leaks had on the election.


The problem apparently isn't the horrible thoughts and scummy behavior of Hillary and her supporters. It's that Russians exposed them. Remember when liberals loved Wikileaks?

I remember when there was bipartisan support for investigating criminal break ins, election fraud and candidate disclosures. #Watergate2016

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TurdFerguson wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I wonder just how much effect the "Latinos are mindless drones" leaks had on the election.


The problem apparently isn't the horrible thoughts and scummy behavior of Hillary and her supporters. It's that Russians exposed them. Remember when liberals loved Wikileaks?



How dare someone reveal how scummy our candidate is while not revealing how equally scummy the other candidate is.

What concerns me the most about the push to stop fake news is it feels like its the start of state sponsored media. If people want to be blissfully ignorant with their news, they have that right. Also, if the dem's do push through some reform on "fake news", they do realize a Republican majority will soon be in charge. Do they really want to be giving them the first crack at shaping that control.



Isn't the baseless presumption that the RNC had emails detailing scummy behavior equal to that of the DNC the very definition of "fake news"?

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It would've been more fair if Russia hadn't hacked voting machines and tampered with the election!


I know you're kidding but I guarantee you most Americans who are only half paying attention think that's what this is about rather than the simple fact that leaked emails- regardless of how they came to light- showed Clinton and her cronies as the scumbags they are. And now some of them want a do-over.


In fairness it showed how stupid the people around her and the DNC were. You appear to be happy they were exposed and kinda indifferent about Russia hacking us.

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CH, your post makes it seems as if the Dem campaign authorities were Bernsie saber zombies bent on proving old school wrong.


Yeah, that's pretty much what happened. Nate Silver, king of the data nerds, repositioned himself from a neutral political oracle to an outright Hillary surrogate this election, repeatedly calling election after election wrong just so he could say he did the numbers and call them for Hillary. He's a piece of shit.

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