old news here in Chicago. We banned those a year ago and now we're working our way towards banning soda and bottled water.

I think I'm for it.

The ban doesn't exist anymore in a few days.

Shocking

Wait until February 1st and it becomes a tax.

What is the argument against it? It seems to me it is a public health issue with little to no downside.

What is the argument against it? It seems to me it is a public health issue with little to no downside.

Well, the obvious argument is convenience. Why don't we ban SUVs? They are much more destructive to the environment than plastic bags are.

Why are paper bags inconvenient?

Your SUV point doesn't really make sense. If you are banning cars then that may make sense but there would be a significant downside to that.

Why are paper bags inconvenient?

Your SUV point doesn't really make sense. If you are banning cars then that may make sense but there would be a significant downside to that.

Nas and shakes already answered your first question.

And of course the SUV point makes sense. You just don't have a good answer for it. There's a reason I didn't say all cars. Think about it for a second.

Because they suck in rain, you can't make 1 trip, they tear easily, you can't use them as garbage bags and you can't put as much stuff in them.

So why not use a reusable bag? They are even better than plastic bags for rain and making only 1 trip, they tear even less than bags. You can't use them as a garbage though but I'm not sure that is a reason to continue with them.

the downside is paper bags suck and for some reason the nitwits at the Jewels think its a contest to see how much they can cram into one of them.

You're banning plastic bags but half the things I can buy from the grocery store come in plactic that I could never reuse.

Well, the average SUV is clearly worse for the environment than the average compact car. If you want to argue that, you're not dealing in facts and it won't be worth it to continue.

So, moving on, banning cars would create a ton of issues economically. Banning the worst cars for the environment wouldn't be nearly as impactful. Why don't we do that?

The answer is that we already do things far more harmful to the environment in the name of convenience. You aren't going to the save the environment by banning plastic bags. All you're going to do is make it more inconvenient for working class people while still not putting even a small dent in the damage our collective lifestyle does to the environment.

Well, the average SUV is clearly worse for the environment than the average compact car. If you want to argue that, you're not dealing in facts and it won't be worth it to continue.

So, moving on, banning cars would create a ton of issues economically. Banning the worst cars for the environment wouldn't be nearly as impactful. Why don't we do that?

The answer is that we already do things far more harmful to the environment in the name of convenience. You aren't going to the save the environment by banning plastic bags. All you're going to do is make it more inconvenient for working class people while still not putting even a small dent in the damage our collective lifestyle does to the environment.

So why not use a reusable bag? They are even better than plastic bags for rain and making only 1 trip, they tear even less than bags. You can't use them as a garbage though but I'm not sure that is a reason to continue with them.

It's a shame that there's no way for humans to verbally indicate to the bagger that your preference is for them to not 'cram' so much into a given bag.

ALL "disposable" bags are being taxed. They're not even trying to claim an environmental angle now. It's a flat out money grab.

7 cent tax per bag, 5 cents goes to Rahm & 2 cents goes to the business.

I assume that the businesses will reduce their prices now that the cost of providing bags is being covered and there is no longer a need to build it into the prices of their products.

Your stance is that it's like pissing on a fire, right? That's how I view it too.

You got it all wrong.

This is about saving the environment.

Just like the red light cameras was about saving lives.

This city is the shits.