I fell down a youtube rabbit hole last night watching these videos. I always dismissed it as tin foil hat idiots and there certainly is plenty of that. There is also some disturbing issues that don't seem to have been discussed or investigated by the 9/11 commission. What say you CFMB? Any credence to this stuff or is it all BS?

The thing that has really got me is the engine found on Murray St. Plenty of very clear pictures. It doesn't belong to a 767 (both planes that crashed into the towers), it has been identified as an engine found on a 737...

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You can see the devil's face in the smoke so I blame him.

The towers were brought down by fires weakening the steel of a building that was severely compromised by the impact of the jetliners.

The structure of the WTC towers was unique in that the exterior wall (and a central core) provided the bulk of the structural support. The walls that were destroyed by the impact were more or less an exoskeleton for the building. That is why the 2nd tower that was hit fell first. The plane hit it at an angle where it punched through two perpendicular sides of the building and put a significant amount of stress on that surviving corner between them. The steel columns that remained were asked to take on a higher load than they were designed to and could've done so had they not had fire reduce their strength to 50%.

Those buildings could have survived the fires or they could have survived the plane impacts. They could not survive both in conjunction with each other.

It's also worth noting that at 450 knots, those planes impacted at 3 times the speed you typically see in a plane crash as most crashes occur near landing/take-off at 150 knots. Given the standard KE = 1/2mv^2 equation, we find that tripling the velocity means that the energy of the impact is increased by a factor of 9.

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I think that as with any major government investigation the aim is to cover their ass rather than actual find out what occurred. I believe that's the main issue with conspiracy theories of this sort. That said, it happened on live television, so I believe what I saw, not the controlled blast or some of the other crazy things.

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That's some New World Order lizard-person talk if I've ever heard it.

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I discount 90% of conspiracy theories off the bat based upon the idea that our government is too fucking stupid to pull off anything competently.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I'm not saying that a plane didn't crash. I'm more concerned with how an engine from a 737 was found when we were told two 767s crashed into the buildings. That is what has me wearing the tin foil hat right now.

Also that doesn't explain why tower 7 collapsed from only fire.

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Pretty sure it is Panther that loves talking on this topic. Maybe 4 years ago I think he took on all comers with his conspiracy beliefs on the subject. He'll be along to give you the scoop.

Building 7 was never hit, yet it fell, just like a professional, controlled implosion. There hasn't been a good explanation for that.

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From what I've seen and interacted with, MANY conspiracy theorists zero-in on the NIST report, alleging that the report's own analysis of the heat in the buildings prior to catastrophic failure didn't show the heat of any widespread area rising to the point of significantly reducing the load-bearing ability of the core columns and floor trusses. NIST showed there wasn't enough heat, they say, to cause the floor trusses to "sag" and fail where they were joined to the outer columns, which is what NIST said happened (which subsequently, because of the "hat" truss, resulted in a redistributed load to other perimeter and core columns which they were not able to sustain in their weakened state).

However, even if you take all of what they say at face value (the temperature of the trusses and columns never got hot enough to weaken load-bearing ability), all of the theories reduce to absurdity when they attempt to explain exactly how the buildings fell, if not by structural failure brought on by initial impact and resultant fires. People talk about spec-ops teams bringing in detcord to hide in the radiators which ran along the outer walls, hidden bombs, "pulling" the buildings down by FDNY, and all sorts of other zany shit.

They try to gloss over this obvious failing of their explanation of events by trying to focus on outlandish potential motives, things like the Black Eagle Trust, the insurance taken out on the buildings by their owner, some SEC documents contained in one of the buildings that was about to cause a bunch of issues, the rumored prohibitive cost of modernizing the older towers. It all gets brought up to distract from the patently absurd way they say the buildings actually came down.

The problem is it wasn't a 737 engine. You're being fed false info as 737s have CFM-56 engines with a flatted nacelle to account for their low ground clearance. That was not a CFM-56. It was a JT9D and you can look at photos of them with the nacelles removed to see that.

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Exactly! Ogie made the point that a lot of deniers use. It could have handled fire or a plane crash. Tower 7 only had a fire and still fell. And they were finding molten steel 3 days later. Molten steel!

I feel so dirty even entertaining these thoughts but there are a lot of loose ends in my mind.

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If the government or bigfan hasn't permanently silenced him, I believe jbills will be along to discuss conspiracy theories .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

It was hit, by one of the towers ripping out about 15 floors down one side.

There was, the bottom 3rd of the building got carved out by being hit by the falling twin towers. That was combined with uncontrolled diesel fires fed by the building's generator fuel supply. The fact is FDNY examined the building 90 minutes before it collapsed and ordered their personnel to evacuate as they could see that the structure had been compromised to the point it that collapse was imminent. The fact that it collapsed when it did was a shock to no structural engineer or firefighter on the scene as they saw the damage it sustained.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

As long as you aren't one of those goofs who claim the twin towers weren't even hit by planes, you'll be alright.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Why does it have a different cooling duct?

They shown that it was a JT9D but not the same one on a 767.

I'm not being a dick. I want the facts so that I can go back to being a normal human again.

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Nothing in this thread changes that.

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The President of the United States has a private conversation with the Australian Prime Minister, and it gets leaked almost in real time. Yeah, they have no chance of a real conspiracy going off without it getting foiled a thousand different ways.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

All of you who believe in this are in the same camp as Alex Jones, think about that for a second.
Read Jim Marrs Book, he tries to sew it all together then bam once again,Aliens.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

The JT9D has several iterations and most of them have that cooling duct, including those used on the 767.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

As bad as it was that the towers fell, what do you think would have happened if they hadn't fallen? Can you imagine the area that would have had to be evacuated for months/years while they came up with demolition plan (assuming there was no way they could repair them and risk having them fall at any time). It was almost a blessing (except for those who perished of course) that they fell so quickly.

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Youre doing well. Thank you. I'll PM you this weekend after another lengthy binge watch session and get my head back on straight.

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Not one person said they believed it was an inside job, perpetrated by the United States government. Not one.

You should try thinking.

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First Bigfoot and now this.

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Yeah, I originally figured it was a Panther thread, but he wouldn't have called it just a theory.