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Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Trumpcare
What say you?
Author:  Caller Bob [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Gay
Author:  leashyourkids [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Caller Bob wrote:
Gay


Yeah, but you're a retard.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Not the preferred verbiage
Author:  leashyourkids [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Caller Bob wrote:
Not the preferred verbiage


What would you prefer?
Author:  Caller Bob [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Downs?
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
leashyourkids wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Not the preferred verbiage

What would you prefer?
Stupid Fucking Numbskull works for him.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Caller Bob wrote:
Downs?


What is your favorite sport?
Author:  Caller Bob [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Frank Coztansa wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Not the preferred verbiage

What would you prefer?
Stupid Fucking Numbskull works for him.

So are Caller Bobfan and leash
Author:  leashyourkids [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Caller Bob wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Not the preferred verbiage

What would you prefer?
Stupid Fucking Numbskull works for him.

So are Caller Bobfan and leash


Huh?
Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Do you receive a tax credit even if you have employee-sponsored insurance? We should FYI.

Poor people shouldn't because then they'll be motivated to find a job.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Fuck this thread. We need a new one.
Author:  Chus [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
leashyourkids wrote:
Fuck this thread. We need a new one.


This is why we can't have nice things.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Quote:
The legislation would preserve two of the most popular features of the 2010 health-care law, letting young adults stay on their parents’ health plans until age 26 and forbidding insurers to deny coverage or charge more to people with preexisting medical problems.

Selfishly the parent's insurance rule was great. I stayed on my parent's plan just so I wouldn't have to pay for insurance MYSELF. And in case I did have a medical issue (I didn't) then my medical issue would've help chip away at the family deductible.

The age-26 rule encapsulates how broken health insurance is for MANY. This "perk" shouldn't exist. :lol:
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Chus wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Fuck this thread. We need a new one.


This is why we can't have nice things.

Like free health care.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
leashyourkids wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Gay


Yeah, but you're a retard.


You know, in middle school, none of us gave a second thought to calling one another retarded and gay. We were all a bunch of little walking hate crimes.
Author:  W_Z [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Curious Hair wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Gay


Yeah, but you're a retard.


You know, in middle school, none of us gave a second thought to calling one another retarded and gay. We were all a bunch of little walking hate crimes.


You evolved.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
No comment until I get Goff's take on it
Author:  Brick [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
We have to pass it so we can know what is in it.
Author:  JORR [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Curious Hair wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Gay


Yeah, but you're a retard.


You know, in middle school, none of us gave a second thought to calling one another retarded and gay. We were all a bunch of little walking hate crimes.



You're not allowed to drink at Hopleaf. But if you come in brandishing pistols and crowbars, perhaps Michael will buy you a Zombie Dust.
Author:  Brick [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
The dumbest part is fighting the individual mandate. The mandate was great. If you are going to force hospitals to provide emergency care to anyone then you can force people to buy insurance.

I doubt anyone would choose to not have insurance if the government didn't guarantee if they have a bad fall or heart attack the hospital can't say 'Sorry but you messed up'.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The dumbest part is fighting the individual mandate. The mandate was great. If you are going to force hospitals to provide emergency care to anyone then you can force people to buy insurance.

I doubt anyone would choose to not have insurance if the government didn't guarantee if they have a bad fall or heart attack the hospital can't say 'Sorry but you messed up'.

Isn't Social Security mandated retirement contributions?
Author:  JORR [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Kirkwood wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The dumbest part is fighting the individual mandate. The mandate was great. If you are going to force hospitals to provide emergency care to anyone then you can force people to buy insurance.

I doubt anyone would choose to not have insurance if the government didn't guarantee if they have a bad fall or heart attack the hospital can't say 'Sorry but you messed up'.

Isn't Social Security mandated retirement contributions?



I think the issue is the politics of calling it what it is- a tax.
Author:  Brick [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The dumbest part is fighting the individual mandate. The mandate was great. If you are going to force hospitals to provide emergency care to anyone then you can force people to buy insurance.

I doubt anyone would choose to not have insurance if the government didn't guarantee if they have a bad fall or heart attack the hospital can't say 'Sorry but you messed up'.

Isn't Social Security mandated retirement contributions?



I think the issue is the politics of calling it what it is- a tax.
Well anything financial the government requires could be a tax. The issue here is that every single person in this country is guaranteed the right to walk into any emergency room in the country and get medical care regardless of insurance or ability to pay. I'm not saying that is a bad thing or not.

The "individual mandate" is designed to counteract that and at worst do a small amount of funding for that "free benefit" we all get.

All of the free market people who don't want the government telling them that they have to buy health insurance or pay a relatively minor fine should be told that if they enter an emergency room with severe stomach pain that the hospital can be like "Too bad you opted out of your ability to be treated" or in a less severe method of getting people in line let people opt out of the individual mandate but tell them if they enter an emergency room for care during the calendar year they will be taxed at a rate for that year of 30 times that of the individual mandate for that year.

And yes, because it always gets brought up, the poor don't really have to worry about the individual mandate since they are eligible for medicaid.
Author:  Tad Queasy [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
No comment until I get Goff's take on it


And Chance the Rapper, too. Once he's done fixing CPS, of course.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Lawrence Holmes wrote:
Jason, when I heard ObamaCare was being repealed and replaced, I was excited to be on the air with you. Because it gives me a chance to sit back and HEEEEER your take on it
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The issue here is that every single person in this country is guaranteed the right to walk into any emergency room in the country and get medical care regardless of insurance or ability to pay.


The thing is, that was also the case prior to Obamacare. Emergency rooms did not turn people away...they just charged paying or insured customers $12 for a Tylenol to offset the people who couldn't pay. It wasn't a perfect system, but it had the advantage of limiting the overuse of the medical system. With Obamacare, health "insurance" morphed into something very different than the concept of insurance. It has turned into a system that essentially allows you to buy fire insurance as your house is burning down, and be reimbursed for fixing the brakes on your car.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Has anyone's annual insurance enrollment at work for 2017 started? Any feedback on cost/increases?

Mine is in May. Last year(my company's partners) did a pretty good job keeping the benefits the same without costs going up too much, but they warned 2017 could be a shitstorm.
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trumpcare
Caller Bob wrote:
Has anyone's annual insurance enrollment at work for 2017 started? Any feedback on cost/increases?

Mine is in May. Last year(my company's partners) did a pretty good job keeping the benefits the same without costs going up too much, but they warned 2017 could be a shitstorm.


Our small company's premiums went up 27% with slightly worse coverage (higher deductibles and out-of-pocket). That was for a renewal with Blue Cross. The other options that our broker presented were even higher. Over the last few years, every year has been around a 20-30% increase.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:22 pm ]
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