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Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:27 am ]
Post subject:  Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gun
:shock: As I remember the incident, that was a rather large piece of the "reasonable fear of life" narrative being constructed around Wilson.

The "original" timeline I thought went: [some original encounter involving a car door], Brown assaulting Wilson while Wilson sat in his vehicle, Brown reaching for Wilson's piece, Wilson gets it out and fires a shot (or two), Brown is hit by one of the shots, Brown flees, Brown turns back to Wilson as Wilson exits vehicle, Brown runs towards Wilson, Wilson empties a magazine into him.

But now:

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/docume ... ions/2371/

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Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
Darren Wilson is a pussy. You cant be a cop if black men of large stature scare you, which they clearly do in his case.
Author:  Brick [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
What a terrible human being and anyone who donated or supported him should be ashamed.

It sucks that it sounds like criminal charges are impossible still.
Author:  America [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
America wrote:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Valid point.

I guess we should keep this in mind for the next one and not assume the cop is truthful
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
What a terrible human being and anyone who donated or supported him should be ashamed.

It sucks that it sounds like criminal charges are impossible still.

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Author:  Nas [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
This was the part of the story that I actually believed. They said something about fingerprints or gun powder IIRC. Does this mean he fired from his squad car first?
Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
Nas wrote:
This was the part of the story that I actually believed. They said something about fingerprints or gun powder IIRC. Does this mean he fired from his squad car first?


I believe so, yes. Elsewhere in the court filing I think he admits that he first fired from inside his vehicle, which I still would have considered acceptable if the assault continued after a struggle for the gun.

This line of "questioning" is from the plaintiffs (Brown's family) in a civil rights lawsuit, so they don't spend any amount of time discussing Brown's assault on Wilson, so it is possible that they still struggled for the gun once Wilson drew it (to my recollection there is no "questioning" about the timeline of Wilson drawing his weapon and whether the two fought over/for the gun at all), because not reaching for the holstered gun doesn't mean the two never fought over it, nor that Brown never tried to take it from Wilson.

As for whether Brown ever reached for or touched Wilson's gun at any time, that is still the topic of much debate. The ME found a contact injury on Brown's thumb, with what he said was "soot in the wound", which lends credence to the bullet contacting Brown's thumb at close range. The doctor hired by Brown's family to perform an independent autopsy came to a similar conclusion. All that really means, though, is that Brown's thumb was near Wilson's gun when it was fired. Whether that was because Brown was grabbing for it or because Brown had his hand in the vehicle fighting with Wilson when Wilson raised the gun to shoot hasn't been determined, aside from the grand jury decision not to indict.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
Seem pretty clear that he panicked and unloaded his gun into Michael Brown thinking that he could get away with whatever happened.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Seem pretty clear that he panicked and unloaded his gun into Michael Brown thinking that he could get away with whatever happened.

He did get away with it
Author:  Chus [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
bigfan wrote:
THE STAY AT HOME CHALLENGE! To the fine people of Ferguson!
Turn on the TV (you just stole) and make a Lasagna dinner as I assume the Dominoes dude has your entire area on the "No fly Zone"
Author:  312player [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
rogers park bryan wrote:
America wrote:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Valid point.

I guess we should keep this in mind for the next one and not assume the cop is truthful




I never thought Brown reached for his gun, I'm only surprised Wilson admitted it.
Author:  Baby McNown [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
Chus wrote:
bigfan wrote:
THE STAY AT HOME CHALLENGE! To the fine people of Ferguson!
Turn on the TV (you just stole) and make a Lasagna dinner as I assume the Dominoes dude has your entire area on the "No fly Zone"

If anybody had posted there in 6 months he could talk about it on his new board.
Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
312player wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
America wrote:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Valid point.

I guess we should keep this in mind for the next one and not assume the cop is truthful




I never thought Brown reached for his gun, I'm only surprised Wilson admitted it.


To be fair, he admitted Brown never attempted to take it from his holster, not that he never tried to grab it. It's odd though, because the "tried to grab it from the holster" theory became the prevailing narrative for awhile, and it had to come from somewhere.

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Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
Caller Bob wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Seem pretty clear that he panicked and unloaded his gun into Michael Brown thinking that he could get away with whatever happened.

He did get away with it


Not disputing that. Seems like he knew he would before he acted.
Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Seem pretty clear that he panicked and unloaded his gun into Michael Brown thinking that he could get away with whatever happened.

He did get away with it


Not disputing that. Seems like he knew he would before he acted.


And how do you arrive at that conclusion?
Author:  Bagels [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Seem pretty clear that he panicked and unloaded his gun into Michael Brown thinking that he could get away with whatever happened.

He did get away with it


Not disputing that. Seems like he knew he would before he acted.


And how do you arrive at that conclusion?


he's a cop
Author:  Regular Reader [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Seem pretty clear that he panicked and unloaded his gun into Michael Brown thinking that he could get away with whatever happened.

He did get away with it


Not disputing that. Seems like he knew he would before he acted.


This guy gets it
Author:  IkeSouth [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
to think all those convos with people i had in real life... i always told them that the ferguson riots were a big deal, that they mattered. they would always tell me its reverse racism... that theyre just thugs causing riots. i even showed them live feeds from people's cell phones, where it CLEARLY showed the cops starting the violence... opposite of what cnn/msn would make it out to be (the news cameras were always sympathetic to the police). the people were peacefully protesting and the cops went straight nazi on them.

interesting to see that the people were right. the cops were wrong, and they deserve the bullshit they got for this (a town in chaos).
Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
IkeSouth wrote:
to think all those convos with people i had in real life... i always told them that the ferguson riots were a big deal, that they mattered. they would always tell me its reverse racism... that theyre just thugs causing riots. i even showed them live feeds from people's cell phones, where it CLEARLY showed the cops starting the violence... opposite of what cnn/msn would make it out to be (the news cameras were always sympathetic to the police). the people were peacefully protesting and the cops went straight nazi on them.

interesting to see that the people were right. the cops were wrong, and they deserve the bullshit they got for this (a town in chaos).


The police made people break into stores and loot things? Come on.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
Did Wilson ever originally say that brown tried to take his weapon out of the holster?

if not this is kind of a non-story at least that aspect on it
Author:  formerlyknownas [ Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
rogers park bryan wrote:
Did Wilson ever originally say that brown tried to take his weapon out of the holster?

if not this is kind of a non-story at least that aspect on it

I wonder what he originally did say....they kept him sequestered somewhere for so long that we never heard anything....I wonder what his original statements were...
Author:  312player [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
formerlyknownas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Did Wilson ever originally say that brown tried to take his weapon out of the holster?

if not this is kind of a non-story at least that aspect on it

I wonder what he originally did say....they kept him sequestered somewhere for so long that we never heard anything....I wonder what his original statements were...



They kept him out of sight and just kept showing Brown in the convenience store with the cigars on a loop.

As it turns out, Brown stole nothing, he traded weed for cigars.
Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
312player wrote:
They kept him out of sight and just kept showing Brown in the convenience store with the cigars on a loop.

As it turns out, Brown stole nothing, he traded weed for cigars.


1. That appears to have been the transaction they were circling around in the new video, but if you watch the whole thing, Brown takes back whatever thing he places on the counter for the two clerks to smell, as he handed back over the cigars and soda. There may have been bargaining, but there was no exchange.

2. Even if he had exchanged weed with the clerks, and left the cigars behind the counter to be picked up in the morning, was the store owner behind the counter at 9am supposed to know that two overnight clerks exchanged product--heavily regulated product at that--for marijuana? The owner would have no idea of the transaction, most likely, so Brown coming in at 9am and grabbing a box of cigarillos looks very much like shoplifting.
Author:  GoldenJet [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
312player wrote:
They kept him out of sight and just kept showing Brown in the convenience store with the cigars on a loop.

As it turns out, Brown stole nothing, he traded weed for cigars.


1. That appears to have been the transaction they were circling around in the new video, but if you watch the whole thing, Brown takes back whatever thing he places on the counter for the two clerks to smell, as he handed back over the cigars and soda. There may have been bargaining, but there was no exchange.

2. Even if he had exchanged weed with the clerks, and left the cigars behind the counter to be picked up in the morning, was the store owner behind the counter at 9am supposed to know that two overnight clerks exchanged product--heavily regulated product at that--for marijuana? The owner would have no idea of the transaction, most likely, so Brown coming in at 9am and grabbing a box of cigarillos looks very much like shoplifting.


I'm going out on a limb here...but I'd guess this was a regular thing...at his regular convenience store. It'll be interesting to see if some industrious reporter tracks down the late night employees and can get them to open up about the real deal.
Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Darren Wilson admits Mike Brown never reached for his gu
GoldenJet wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
312player wrote:
They kept him out of sight and just kept showing Brown in the convenience store with the cigars on a loop.

As it turns out, Brown stole nothing, he traded weed for cigars.


1. That appears to have been the transaction they were circling around in the new video, but if you watch the whole thing, Brown takes back whatever thing he places on the counter for the two clerks to smell, as he handed back over the cigars and soda. There may have been bargaining, but there was no exchange.

2. Even if he had exchanged weed with the clerks, and left the cigars behind the counter to be picked up in the morning, was the store owner behind the counter at 9am supposed to know that two overnight clerks exchanged product--heavily regulated product at that--for marijuana? The owner would have no idea of the transaction, most likely, so Brown coming in at 9am and grabbing a box of cigarillos looks very much like shoplifting.


I'm going out on a limb here...but I'd guess this was a regular thing...at his regular convenience store. It'll be interesting to see if some industrious reporter tracks down the late night employees and can get them to open up about the real deal.


The problem MANY are having is that in order for the new video to be further exculpatory of Brown or incriminating of Wilson and policing in general, they would have to argue that police are not supposed to roll on a call of robbery in progress.
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