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Schumer says he cannot support a judge he voted for before and will fillibuster.... The quote regarding his saying that and the past is pretty funny.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... r-gorsuch/

Mr. Schumer, who four years ago himself voted to trigger the nuclear option on all other nominees, told Republicans not to follow his lead.
“The answer isn’t to change the rules, it’s to change the nominee,” the New York Democrat said Thursday.
Just last year, when Democrats thought they’d win the White House and the Senate, their outgoing floor leader Sen. Harry Reid said they themselves would trigger the nuclear option to get Hillary Clinton’s nominee through.

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Harry Reid fucked the Democrats up so bad:

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The focus on Price was another example of Democrats' inability to recognize a changed political landscape. But even before Trump came on the scene, this lack of vision doomed them.

In 2013, then-Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada eliminated the filibuster procedure for presidential nominees. Passage of the so-called Reid Rule was widely hailed by Democrats because it solved the short-term problem of Republican obstruction of Obama.

In reality, Reid just sabotaged the future self-defense capability of the entire Senate. This was one of many examples of Democrats cheering an expansion of executive power that later left them weakened under Trump. Delaware Sen. Chris Coons was one of the first to get religion late last year, once he started to see Trump's loony nominees marching up the Hill.

"I do regret that," Coons told CNN in late November. "[The filibuster] would have been a terrific speed bump."

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He's getting confirmed. Please save the outrage for something really bad Trump does. This might be his most level headed appointment yet.

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I hope they follow through with the promise of a filibuster, if only to force the Republicans hand and end the archaic practice that has no place in today's political climate.

At the very least, maybe we will get the likes of Schumer, Warren and Franken reading some sweet recipes out of a Guy Fieri cookbook or some shit like that.


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
He's getting confirmed. Please save the outrage for something really bad Trump does. This might be his most level headed appointment yet.

You know who was also level headed. Merrick Garland. So fuck Gouesech and fuck his mother too.


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I hope they follow through with the promise of a filibuster, if only to force the Republicans hand and end the archaic practice that has no place in today's political climate.

At the very least, maybe we will get the likes of Schumer, Warren and Franken reading some sweet recipes out of a Guy Fieri cookbook or some shit like that.

This.

At the very least the left should make them sweat it out a bit. To just lay down and do nothing would be so democrat though.

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lipidquadcab wrote:
I hope they follow through with the promise of a filibuster, if only to force the Republicans hand and end the archaic practice that has no place in today's political climate.

At the very least, maybe we will get the likes of Schumer, Warren and Franken reading some sweet recipes out of a Guy Fieri cookbook or some shit like that.

This.

At the very least the left should make them sweat it out a bit. To just lay down and do nothing would be so democrat though.

I saw a headline on twitter yesterday that said Democratic leadership was considering not playing the filibuster card this time if GOP leadership promised not to use the nuclear option on the next SCOTUS nomination.

There's a reason they've gotten their asses handed to them so badly lately.


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
He's getting confirmed. Please save the outrage for something really bad Trump does. This might be his most level headed appointment yet.


Agreed.

It's thread Trump lying effect. Eventually when things deserve outrage, MANY will ignore as just Democrats bitching like normal.

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Douchebag wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
I hope they follow through with the promise of a filibuster, if only to force the Republicans hand and end the archaic practice that has no place in today's political climate.

At the very least, maybe we will get the likes of Schumer, Warren and Franken reading some sweet recipes out of a Guy Fieri cookbook or some shit like that.

This.

At the very least the left should make them sweat it out a bit. To just lay down and do nothing would be so democrat though.


Copying something that Republicans did and then wondering why it didn't get the same response is the Democrats way. Nothing original.

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Douchebag wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
I hope they follow through with the promise of a filibuster, if only to force the Republicans hand and end the archaic practice that has no place in today's political climate.

At the very least, maybe we will get the likes of Schumer, Warren and Franken reading some sweet recipes out of a Guy Fieri cookbook or some shit like that.

This.

At the very least the left should make them sweat it out a bit. To just lay down and do nothing would be so democrat though.


Copying something that Republicans did and then wondering why it didn't get the same response is the Democrats way. Nothing original.

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lipidquadcab wrote:
Nas wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
I hope they follow through with the promise of a filibuster, if only to force the Republicans hand and end the archaic practice that has no place in today's political climate.

At the very least, maybe we will get the likes of Schumer, Warren and Franken reading some sweet recipes out of a Guy Fieri cookbook or some shit like that.

This.

At the very least the left should make them sweat it out a bit. To just lay down and do nothing would be so democrat though.


Copying something that Republicans did and then wondering why it didn't get the same response is the Democrats way. Nothing original.

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I saw a headline on twitter yesterday that said Democratic leadership was considering not playing the filibuster card this time if GOP leadership promised not to use the nuclear option on the next SCOTUS nomination.


Politicians are so good at keeping their promises....

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
He's getting confirmed. Please save the outrage for something really bad Trump does. This might be his most level headed appointment yet.

You know who was also level headed. Merrick Garland. So fuck Gouesech and fuck his mother too.


Exactly. We shouldn't even be having this discussion.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
He's getting confirmed. Please save the outrage for something really bad Trump does. This might be his most level headed appointment yet.


That's why I like it.

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Chus wrote:
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
He's getting confirmed. Please save the outrage for something really bad Trump does. This might be his most level headed appointment yet.

You know who was also level headed. Merrick Garland. So fuck Gouesech and fuck his mother too.


Exactly. We shouldn't even be having this discussion.

I had no issue with Garland but it's SOP to not give a lame duck POTUS a SC nomination during an election cycle. If you have major issue with Gorsuch you're only being a blind Trump hater. And using the nuclear option on this nomination is like finding out you have one mouse in your house and burning it to the ground. This is just a bad look. You can't be better than the GOP if it's a constant "they did it to our guy first!!"

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And using the nuclear option on this nomination is like finding out you have one mouse in your house and burning it to the ground. This is just a bad look. You can't be better than the GOP if it's a constant "they did it to our guy first!!"

A few things...

First, you're getting your terms mixed up here. The Democrats would be using a filibuster to stall the proceedings. It would be the Republicans using the nuclear option to end the filibuster and push the debate forward.

Second, we're talking about a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. While I'm willing to agree that this isn't even close to the worst nomination he's made, those will be (relatively) short lived mistakes. This guy is likely going to be on the bench for 30 years. Your analogy undersells the gravity of the situation just a touch.


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lipidquadcab wrote:
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And using the nuclear option on this nomination is like finding out you have one mouse in your house and burning it to the ground. This is just a bad look. You can't be better than the GOP if it's a constant "they did it to our guy first!!"

A few things...

First, you're getting your terms mixed up here. The Democrats would be using a filibuster to stall the proceedings. It would be the Republicans using the nuclear option to end the filibuster and push the debate forward.

Second, we're talking about a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. While I'm willing to agree that this isn't even close to the worst nomination he's made, those will be (relatively) short lived mistakes. This guy is likely going to be on the bench for 30 years. Your analogy undersells the gravity of the situation just a touch.


I meant forcing the GOP to use the nuclear option. Which they will if the Democrats filibuster.

Gorsuch is an OK choice, if Trump picked someone more outrageous and this was the backup choice everyone would be fine with it. A republican candidate isn't going to pick a liberal judge, take the good option. This guy is a boy scout and well regarded in the legal community. He will probably do more to help reign in Exec powers than anyone else on the court. Considering the moron in the White House, that should be a good thing.

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Filibustering Gorsuch is lame. He's fine.

Play the long game. Not everything has to be pissy fit. That useless turtle faced fuck McConnell won't be a Senator forever.


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I had no issue with Garland but it's SOP to not give a lame duck POTUS a SC nomination during an election cycle.

No it's not.

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i say let them filibuster... is there a limit as to how many times the republicans can try to bring this toa vote? If these idiots want to filibuster for the next 4 years, let them... it's not a good look and

check out the longest ever filibuster per wikipedia

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Filibustering Gorsuch is lame. He's fine.

Play the long game. Not everything has to be pissy fit. That useless turtle faced fuck McConnell won't be a Senator forever.


Honest to god, I have a hard time picking out any worthwhile GOP or Dem leadership in congress. Its all a bunch of long term blind party supporting loyalists. I'm so sick of it. This system is broken.

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The dumb thing about filibusters now is I do not think they even force the opponents to keep the speaking non stop anymore. If they are going to do it make them do it the right way and suffer the endless speaking.

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The problem is that nobody really uses the fillibuster anymore. There's just the threat of it and the opposing party moves on because they can't get the 60 cloture votes. Make someone stand up there for hours if he doesn't want to vote on something. At least then I could respect the minority parties gridlock tactics.

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The problem is that nobody really uses the fillibuster anymore. There's just the threat of it and the opposing party moves on because they can't get the 60 cloture votes. Make someone stand up there for hours if he doesn't want to vote on something. At least then I could respect the minority parties gridlock tactics.


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Filibustering Gorsuch is lame. He's fine.

Play the long game. Not everything has to be pissy fit. That useless turtle faced fuck McConnell won't be a Senator forever.


Honest to god, I have a hard time picking out any worthwhile GOP or Dem leadership in congress. Its all a bunch of long term blind party supporting loyalists. I'm so sick of it. This system is broken.

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Just take a look at this healthcare disaster. An R-House R-Senate and R-President and they're bickering with each other. What hope is there for cross party cooperation. All you can do is laugh.

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I had no issue with Garland but it's SOP to not give a lame duck POTUS a SC nomination during an election cycle.

No it's not.


Google is a fun thing rather than talking out of your ass. Here is an article from when Scalia died. The last time it happened was in 1988 but that was because the first two nominations were rejected. The hearings were in 1987 but the vote didn't happen until 1988.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/state ... -lame-duc/

Here is Schumer himself in 2007 saying that Bush shouldn't get any more picks. That wasn't even in the election year yet.

http://www.politico.com/story/2007/07/s ... cks-005146

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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I had no issue with Garland but it's SOP to not give a lame duck POTUS a SC nomination during an election cycle.

No it's not.


Google is a fun thing rather than talking out of your ass. Here is an article from when Scalia died. The last time it happened was in 1988 but that was because the first two nominations were rejected. The hearings were in 1987 but the vote didn't happen until 1988.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/state ... -lame-duc/

Here is Schumer himself in 2007 saying that Bush shouldn't get any more picks. That wasn't even in the election year yet.

http://www.politico.com/story/2007/07/s ... cks-005146

Reagan still got his guy through, and Schumber saying something isn't equal to actually doing it.

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