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Noted right-wing lunatic Mike Cernovich made Scott Pelley look like a dope on 60 Minutes last night when Pelley questioned Cernovich's contention that Hillary Clinton was suffering from Parkinson's Disease and Cernovich asked, "How do you know she doesn't?" Pelley's answer: "Her campaign said she doesn't." Pelley started stuttering and stammering. You could tell that it never occurred to him that Hillary Clinton's campaign might lie. And then Cernovich- as goofy as he is- made the point that I have often made that gets me described as a "Trumpet"- You (the mainstream media) assume everything Trump says is a lie while simply accepting everything that Clinton says.

Also, Pelley cited as "fake news" a headline that said "Trump drops campaign as colonoscopy shows he is suffering from brain tumor." That's not "fake news". It's Onion-style parody and frankly, funny as hell.

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Haha that is funny as shit.

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Noted right-wing lunatic Mike Cernovich made Scott Pelley look like a dope on 60 Minutes last night when Pelley questioned Cernovich's contention that Hillary Clinton was suffering from Parkinson's Disease and Cernovich asked, "How do you know she doesn't?" Pelley's answer: "Her campaign said she doesn't." Pelley started stuttering and stammering. You could tell that it never occurred to him that Hillary Clinton's campaign might lie. And then Cernovich- as goofy as he is- made the point that I have often made that gets me described as a "Trumpet"- You (the mainstream media) assume everything Trump says is a lie while simply accepting everything that Clinton says.

Also, Pelley cited as "fake news" a headline that said "Trump drops campaign as colonoscopy shows he is suffering from brain tumor." That's not "fake news". It's Onion-style parody and frankly, funny as hell.


I'm shocked the producer let that exchange into the program.

The look on Pelley's face when he realized what he was saying was priceless.

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I'm also shocked that wasn't edited out, good exchange.

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i can't believe cernovich even got air time.


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i can't believe cernovich even got air time.


They obviously thought they were going to make him look like the nutjob he is but he outsmarted them.

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i can't believe cernovich even got air time.


They obviously thought they were going to make him look like the nutjob he is but he outsmarted them.


And the left the segment in.

To show that they are fair and balanced.

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Did he provide evidence in the interview other than "How do you know she doesn't?"


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Did he provide evidence in the interview other than "How do you know she doesn't?"


That part was edited out.

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How do you get sonned by Mike Cernovich.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/01/ ... er-gorilla
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Cernovich’s internet writings include such thinkpieces as “How to Choke a Woman During Sex” and, entirely unrelatedly, “How to Avoid a False Rape Case.” (Cernovich’s professional advice is that you should secretly film the woman during sex.) Given this provocative online oeuvre, the surprising thing about Cernovich’s first self-help book, Gorilla Mindset (other than how little it actually discusses gorillas), is just how milquetoast and prototypical Cernovich’s advice is. Confronting your challenges, reaching your goals, maintaining your focus. For a masculinist tract, parts of it have a surprisingly Chicken Soup for the Soul vibe.

The gorilla conceit itself goes unexplained. Why gorillas? Presumably because they are muscly and do not suffer from self-doubt. (They are also, however, not known for being especially sophisticated political thinkers, a fact one may wish to bear in mind when assessing how much credence to give Cernovich’s theory of an international war on whites.) The gorilla mindset seems to have something to do with unleashing an inner animal. But what gorillas have to offer, other than large chests and a constrained capacity for higher-order reasoning, one is never told.

We do learn one characteristic of people with gorilla mindsets, which is that they are very organized. “When stepping outside of my door and before closing the door,” Cernovich reveals, “I stop. I feel for my wallet, cell phone, and keys. Because of this Gorilla Mindset habit, I have never locked myself out of my apartment.” A real gorilla never forgets his keys! Mike Cernovich is laying down all the hard truths those effeminate left-wing nature documentaries will never tell you. Later on, in a list of Gorilla Focus habits, we are told that gorillas “do not eat in front of the television.” A real gorilla knows this will only make him lose track of his calorie intake! The discoveries continue to pile on. A real gorilla pees eight times a day, clear urine! A real gorilla always registers as self-employed on his tax returns! A real gorilla COOKS WITH A CROCKPOT!

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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:33 am 
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i can't believe cernovich even got air time.


They obviously thought they were going to make him look like the nutjob he is but he outsmarted them.

How do you know that Trump didn't directly work with Putin?


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Did he provide evidence in the interview other than "How do you know she doesn't?"


I think you're missing the point. I know you recognize bullshit when it comes from people you don't like, like Cernovich. Especially when they're as over-the-top goofy as he is.

I'll give you an example of more subtle fake news that I just read. Neil Steinberg makes a completely unsupported claim that illegal immigrants commit less crime than citizens. Considering every illegal immigrant has commited a minimum of one crime, they have quite a head start and so his statement defies belief. But it supports a particular agenda championed by many "legitimate" news organizations and thus escapes categorization as "fake news".

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Baby McNown wrote:
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hnd wrote:
i can't believe cernovich even got air time.


They obviously thought they were going to make him look like the nutjob he is but he outsmarted them.

How do you know that Trump didn't directly work with Putin?


I won't be answering non-sequitors in this thread. Cash me in da Cubs section. How bow dah?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Did he provide evidence in the interview other than "How do you know she doesn't?"


I think you're missing the point. I know you recognize bullshit when it comes from people you don't like, like Cernovich. Especially when they're as over-the-top goofy as he is.

I'll give you an example of more subtle fake news that I just read. Neil Steinberg makes a completely unsupported claim that illegal immigrants commit less crime than citizens. Considering every illegal immigrant has commited a minimum of one crime, they have quite a head start and so his statement defies belief. But it supports a particular agenda championed by many "legitimate" news organizations and thus escapes categorization as "fake news".

You're being intentionally dense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/blame-game-trump-casts-immigrants-as-dangerous-criminals-the-evidence-shows-otherwise/2017/03/23/f12dffdc-0f4d-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.fa4d7b709e8b

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Although federal data are limited, two reports released this month — by the Sentencing Project and the libertarian Cato Institute — confirmed past studies that immigrants, including those here illegally, commit crimes at lower rates than do native-born Americans.


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Did he provide evidence in the interview other than "How do you know she doesn't?"


I think you're missing the point. I know you recognize bullshit when it comes from people you don't like, like Cernovich. Especially when they're as over-the-top goofy as he is.

I'll give you an example of more subtle fake news that I just read. Neil Steinberg makes a completely unsupported claim that illegal immigrants commit less crime than citizens. Considering every illegal immigrant has commited a minimum of one crime, they have quite a head start and so his statement defies belief. But it supports a particular agenda championed by many "legitimate" news organizations and thus escapes categorization as "fake news".

I think you know what Steinberg meant. When people talk about committing crimes I don't think they think about people just existing and living their everyday lives. I thought you don't like when people get hung up on literal interpretations at the expense of the overall message?

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You're being intentionally dense.


Are you sure it's an act?


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Kirkwood wrote:
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Kirkwood wrote:
Did he provide evidence in the interview other than "How do you know she doesn't?"


I think you're missing the point. I know you recognize bullshit when it comes from people you don't like, like Cernovich. Especially when they're as over-the-top goofy as he is.

I'll give you an example of more subtle fake news that I just read. Neil Steinberg makes a completely unsupported claim that illegal immigrants commit less crime than citizens. Considering every illegal immigrant has commited a minimum of one crime, they have quite a head start and so his statement defies belief. But it supports a particular agenda championed by many "legitimate" news organizations and thus escapes categorization as "fake news".

You're being intentionally dense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/blame-game-trump-casts-immigrants-as-dangerous-criminals-the-evidence-shows-otherwise/2017/03/23/f12dffdc-0f4d-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.fa4d7b709e8b

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Although federal data are limited, two reports released this month — by the Sentencing Project and the libertarian Cato Institute — confirmed past studies that immigrants, including those here illegally, commit crimes at lower rates than do native-born Americans.


:lol: Now you're going to suggest that entering a country illegally doesn't count as a crime (a popular position, I realize) and then link an article pushing the same agenda as Steinberg.

Look, I'm not anti-immigration. We need immigrants. And I would guess I have more friends who are here illegally than most. I certainly don't want them deported. But that doesn't stop me from looking at these assertions critically and recognizing the agenda behind them.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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i can't believe cernovich even got air time.


They obviously thought they were going to make him look like the nutjob he is but he outsmarted them.

How do you know that Trump didn't directly work with Putin?


I won't be answering non-sequitors in this thread. Cash me in da Cubs section. How bow dah?




:lol: :lol:

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Peoria Matt wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
You're being intentionally dense.


Are you sure it's an act?


Are you suggesting we should have an open border? Because stating that illegal entry is really no crime is pretty much that.

I'd have no problem with a radical restructuring of society. Maybe we can eliminate property rights while we're at it. Maybe you haven't thought some of this stuff tthrough though.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Did he provide evidence in the interview other than "How do you know she doesn't?"


I think you're missing the point. I know you recognize bullshit when it comes from people you don't like, like Cernovich. Especially when they're as over-the-top goofy as he is.

I'll give you an example of more subtle fake news that I just read. Neil Steinberg makes a completely unsupported claim that illegal immigrants commit less crime than citizens. Considering every illegal immigrant has commited a minimum of one crime, they have quite a head start and so his statement defies belief. But it supports a particular agenda championed by many "legitimate" news organizations and thus escapes categorization as "fake news".

You're being intentionally dense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/blame-game-trump-casts-immigrants-as-dangerous-criminals-the-evidence-shows-otherwise/2017/03/23/f12dffdc-0f4d-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.fa4d7b709e8b

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Although federal data are limited, two reports released this month — by the Sentencing Project and the libertarian Cato Institute — confirmed past studies that immigrants, including those here illegally, commit crimes at lower rates than do native-born Americans.


:lol: Now you're going to suggest that entering a country illegally doesn't count as a crime (a popular position, I realize) and then link an article pushing the same agenda as Steinberg.

Look, I'm not anti-immigration. We need immigrants. And I would guess I have more friends who are here illegally than most. I certainly don't want them deported. But that doesn't stop me from looking at these assertions critically and recognizing the agenda behind them.

Ok, yes, you are being intentionally dense.


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So refuting Trump's ridiculous claims that only work to make people hate Mexicans is "an agenda"?

Here's an agenda for you: bringing up Hillary Clinton every time someone rightfully criticizes this administration. The idea that they should trust anything the Trump administration says is laughable.

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So refuting Trump's ridiculous claims that only work to make people hate Mexicans is "an agenda"?

Here's an agenda for you: bringing up Hillary Clinton every time someone rightfully criticizes this administration. The idea that they should trust anything the Trump administration says is laughable.



Did I bring up Hillary Clinton?

And if you think making shit up is the way to "refute" Trump, I'm gonna disagree.

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Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Did he provide evidence in the interview other than "How do you know she doesn't?"


I think you're missing the point. I know you recognize bullshit when it comes from people you don't like, like Cernovich. Especially when they're as over-the-top goofy as he is.

I'll give you an example of more subtle fake news that I just read. Neil Steinberg makes a completely unsupported claim that illegal immigrants commit less crime than citizens. Considering every illegal immigrant has commited a minimum of one crime, they have quite a head start and so his statement defies belief. But it supports a particular agenda championed by many "legitimate" news organizations and thus escapes categorization as "fake news".

You're being intentionally dense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/blame-game-trump-casts-immigrants-as-dangerous-criminals-the-evidence-shows-otherwise/2017/03/23/f12dffdc-0f4d-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.fa4d7b709e8b

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Although federal data are limited, two reports released this month — by the Sentencing Project and the libertarian Cato Institute — confirmed past studies that immigrants, including those here illegally, commit crimes at lower rates than do native-born Americans.


:lol: Now you're going to suggest that entering a country illegally doesn't count as a crime (a popular position, I realize) and then link an article pushing the same agenda as Steinberg.

Look, I'm not anti-immigration. We need immigrants. And I would guess I have more friends who are here illegally than most. I certainly don't want them deported. But that doesn't stop me from looking at these assertions critically and recognizing the agenda behind them.

Ok, yes, you are being intentionally dense.


Maybe you and Peoria Matt can confer and let us know which laws really count.

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Kirkwood wrote:
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Kirkwood wrote:
Did he provide evidence in the interview other than "How do you know she doesn't?"


I think you're missing the point. I know you recognize bullshit when it comes from people you don't like, like Cernovich. Especially when they're as over-the-top goofy as he is.

I'll give you an example of more subtle fake news that I just read. Neil Steinberg makes a completely unsupported claim that illegal immigrants commit less crime than citizens. Considering every illegal immigrant has commited a minimum of one crime, they have quite a head start and so his statement defies belief. But it supports a particular agenda championed by many "legitimate" news organizations and thus escapes categorization as "fake news".

You're being intentionally dense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/blame-game-trump-casts-immigrants-as-dangerous-criminals-the-evidence-shows-otherwise/2017/03/23/f12dffdc-0f4d-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.fa4d7b709e8b

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Although federal data are limited, two reports released this month — by the Sentencing Project and the libertarian Cato Institute — confirmed past studies that immigrants, including those here illegally, commit crimes at lower rates than do native-born Americans.

:lol:
JORRs point went flying so far over your head it might enter a geosynchronous orbit.

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So refuting Trump's ridiculous claims that only work to make people hate Mexicans is "an agenda"?

Here's an agenda for you: bringing up Hillary Clinton every time someone rightfully criticizes this administration. The idea that they should trust anything the Trump administration says is laughable.



Did I bring up Hillary Clinton?

And if you think making shit up is the way to "refute" Trump, I'm gonna disagree.


No, the guy in your initial post did. And while you think he makes a great argument, I think it's a pretty terrible one. I can count on one hand the number of times the Trump Administration has told the truth about anything. That is widely accepted, but for some reason, the media is supposed to take their word for things?

The only legitimate argument the guy has is that the media was in bed with Hillary. Yes, they were. Agreed. Can we move on now?

And the guy's example question of "how do you know she doesn't have Parkinson's" is an awful example because it's a negative and, thus, unprovable. It's a National Enquirer type of question.

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free speech is a violent crime so of course illegals who can't communicate are more peaceful.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Did he provide evidence in the interview other than "How do you know she doesn't?"


I think you're missing the point. I know you recognize bullshit when it comes from people you don't like, like Cernovich. Especially when they're as over-the-top goofy as he is.

I'll give you an example of more subtle fake news that I just read. Neil Steinberg makes a completely unsupported claim that illegal immigrants commit less crime than citizens. Considering every illegal immigrant has commited a minimum of one crime, they have quite a head start and so his statement defies belief. But it supports a particular agenda championed by many "legitimate" news organizations and thus escapes categorization as "fake news".

You're being intentionally dense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/blame-game-trump-casts-immigrants-as-dangerous-criminals-the-evidence-shows-otherwise/2017/03/23/f12dffdc-0f4d-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.fa4d7b709e8b

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Although federal data are limited, two reports released this month — by the Sentencing Project and the libertarian Cato Institute — confirmed past studies that immigrants, including those here illegally, commit crimes at lower rates than do native-born Americans.

:lol:
JORRs point went flying so far over your head it might enter a geosynchronous orbit.

Yikes.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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i can't believe cernovich even got air time.


They obviously thought they were going to make him look like the nutjob he is but he outsmarted them.

How do you know that Trump didn't directly work with Putin?


I won't be answering non-sequitors in this thread. Cash me in da Cubs section. How bow dah?

So just like the guy you are ripping on you have no response. :lol:


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CBS probably has the least intelligent political journalists of all the major networks. Chuck Todd or Stephanopoulos would have taken Cernovich behind the woo shed.


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