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Rogues are in the market for a new TV. I know 4K is all the rage now but is there a huge difference between the two? The 1080's are so much cheaper but are they still worth getting ? Besides telling me to move, suggestions ?

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I know Microsoft and Sony are coming out with new game systems next year catering to 4k resolution.


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4K TV's are amazing, they even up-convert some 1080p content to look incredibly sharp. Thing is, if picture hiccups bother you--they call it "jitter", because 4K TV's operate at 60fps, but most content is 30 or 24fps, so sometimes the doubled framerate can make moving pictures look jagged instead of smooth--then you need to buy one of the higher-end 4K TV's. The Samsung KS8000 series doesn't have that problem (neither does LG's B series OLED TV's, but those are insanely expensive), but the KS6000 series does. Same goes for the Vizio series of panels: their D-series panels have tearing and jittering issues, but their P-series don't. The 6000 and D series TV's are the ones you'll see at attractive prices on Amazon or at Sam's Club.

Regularly-available 4K content will be here soon (streaming, blu-ray, gaming, and some sports stuff on DirecTV), and even up-converted 1080i cable feeds look pretty alright, so future-proofing now is not a bad idea at all, you just may have to spend a bit more to ensure you're not upgrading in a year or two.


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4k is the way to go, if your tv is 50in+

smaller tv's it doesnt make a difference

but 4k makes it impossible to see the pixelation and it really does make it better. even with 1080p content, the tv will upscale it and it looks awesome.

i dont worry about the jitter. i never notice it.

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My plasma crapped out a few weeks ago and I updated to a 4K Samsung. I think it's the 8000 series. My main complaint is that it is unnaturally bright and it was almost blinding first time I watched hockey in it. Also not as smooth as the plasma was. I loved the oled but I just couldnt justify the cost.


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if you are shopping for 60" or smaller tv... and you dont even know what 4k means.... you should be shopping for a 1080p LED tv... (not 4k)

it seems like you are the type of person that can wait on 4k.... right now it feels like you really have to seek 4k content.... sure netflix is making more and more available... cable/satelite providers have barely begun to roll any 4k content out... plus HDR is the new craze so if you do shop for a 4k set you'll want it to be HDR compatible... but again, if you have no idea what 4k is, you are not a person who should be buying a 4k tv

make sure whatever LED tv you get has a refresh rate of at least 120 hz.... most companies lie and artificially double the actual TV's refresh rate with some jargon version of refresh rate... if the rate on the box is at least 240 hz you likely have at least a 120 hz native refresh rate and you are good to go. refresh rate is critical for live sports (basically anything with lots of quick movement will look pixelated if your set has a crap refresh rate)


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I know Microsoft and Sony are coming out with new game systems next year catering to 4k resolution.

Sony already has a system out (PS4 Pro) that does 4K...results vary on how good the game runs when you are actually viewing at 4K.

Microsoft just released the "final" specs for Scorpio and it sounds like they should be able to do 4K/60FPS with power to spare. Of course, I'm not sure what games Microsoft is planning on using to sell the system but hey, I'm sure the new Forza game will look amazing! :?


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 Post subject: Re: 1080p vs 4K TVs
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The Wirecutter does pretty comprehensive reviews/comparisons of gadgets and gear. Here are their picks for Best TV:

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-tv/

I've got a 46" Panasonic plasma that I bought nine years ago that I'm still happy with so I haven't really kept up with new TV technology. This article was linked in the above review:

https://www.cnet.com/news/when-should-y ... o-a-4k-tv/

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If you're happy with your TV, keep it. But if your TV is getting old and you're curious how much better modern TVs are, this guide should be able to help you out.

What we've done is break it down by type and age of the TV, and given a recommendation about whether you should consider upgrading.
Should you upgrade at all?

Generally speaking, if your TV works and you're happy with it, don't worry about upgrading.

We're a long way off from the majority of TV shows and movies being in 4K resolution, let alone high-dynamic range (HDR), wide color gamut (WCG) or any other widespread change in content that would "require" a new TV. If and when those things happen, 4K TVs will be even cheaper than they are now. And they're pretty cheap already.

Which isn't to say there isn't content, there is and it's growing (both 4K and 4K HDR). It's just a small sub-set of what's out there, which is still mostly 1080p high-def, not 4K.

Even without 4K content, however, buying a 4K TV now makes sense if you actually do want to upgrade. One reason is because 4K TVs usually deliver better picture quality, with any source, than non-4K models (for reasons that have nothing to do with resolution). This is especially true with HDR models.

So, if you have a...
LCD without local dimming: Maybe upgrade

Most LCDs more than a few years old don't have local dimming, our favorite picture-enhancing feature for LCD TVs. It allows the TV to control brightness in different areas of the screen. Modern LCDs with local dimming will look more real, have more apparent depth, and have more "punch." The top of the line models will have HDR and WCG, which can look really amazing.

Depending on the age of your current LCD TV , and of course what 4K TV you end up buying, the difference may be significant. Of all the categories of TVs we're talking about here, this is one of the ones I'd be most likely to recommend upgrading from, especially if you're looking for something larger.

If you step up to OLED, the difference will be profound.
LCD with local dimming: Don't upgrade
More TV research

How HDR works
Why 4K TVs aren't stupid (anymore)
The truth about Ultra HD 4K TV refresh rates
Can I upgrade my TV to HDR?
What is HDMI 2.0a?

With few exceptions, local dimming LCDs look pretty good. Most of the ones with a full-array (as opposed to edge-lit) local dimming look pretty great. Many edge-lit models look good too.

True, the HDR and WCG capabilities of modern LCDs will make them look a bit better, and OLED even more so, but the difference won't be as significant as if you were upgrading from some of the other TVs on this list. Generally, I'd say save your money.
Plasma TV (2008 or newer): Don't upgrade

This is especially true if you still have a Pioneer Kuro or one of the last Panasonic or Samsung plasmas from 2012 or 2013. These later generation plasmas still look fantastic compared to most LCDs. Sure, OLED looks even better, but they're still a lot of money.

Once HDR and WCG content becomes more commonplace, then an upgrade is worth considering. Until then, enjoy your awesome TV.
Plasma TV (2007 or older): Maybe upgrade

Again, if you're happy with your TV, keep it. The older the plasma is, the less it holds up compared to modern TVs. LCDs with local dimming will certainly be brighter than old plasmas, and might even have better contrast ratios. LCD's motion blur might be acceptable (depending on the refresh rate), though off-axis (how far you can sit off to the side and still enjoy the image) will likely be far worse on a modern LCD.

The closest comparison to modern TVs will be OLED, but again, they're pretty expensive. So I could see this going either way. A new TV will certainly "wow" you, but your current TV is probably pretty good.
Rear-projection TV: Probably upgrade

I'm surprised you're still able to buy lamps for your TV. Most new LCDs and OLEDs will be far brighter, and have a better contrast ratio than just about any RPTV (CRT models excepted). If you have a DLP-based model though, the motion resolution on it will be way better than an LCD or OLED.
CRT 'tube' TV: Probably upgrade

I'm impressed with your ability to keep a TV running, but modern TVs will be bigger and brighter, OLEDs will have a better contrast ratio. If you ever need to replace your Blu-ray player or media streamer, most of the latest models only have HDMI (which your TV probably doesn't have).
Front projector: Don't upgrade

If your projector is from the pre-3D era, new projectors are likely a lot brighter. Unless you're really well heeled, they're still just 1080p though. If you're really feeling the itch to upgrade, I'd recommend getting a new projector over a 4K TV. In fact, getting a new display that's smaller than your current display is almost always a bad idea. It will see so small, especially compared to a projector.
Bottom line

As usual when someone asks, "Should I get a new ___?" the best answer is "It depends on what you already have."

By the way, if you're thinking of upgrading the size of your current TV, that's worth considering. I don't think I've ever met someone who regretted getting a larger TV.


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Wow,a lot of great advice on here (for once)! :lol:

I just shitcanned my 65 " Mitsubishi rear projection TV about 6 months ago.
It ran flawlessly for almost 14 years! It still worked but my eyes were telling me the picture quality had fallen behind the more current sets. I have a 43" SHARP 4K in one bedroom that has an excellent picture.

We ended up buying a 65" Sony (model 850D) that is astounding. I went to ABT. Ask the salesman to connect to Youtube and watch a 4k nature video. Nothing more will need to be said about quality of picture. My wife & I are constantly blown away by the beautiful colors on a movie like Disney's Moana.

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My plasma crapped out a few weeks ago and I updated to a 4K Samsung. I think it's the 8000 series. My main complaint is that it is unnaturally bright and it was almost blinding first time I watched hockey in it. Also not as smooth as the plasma was. I loved the oled but I just couldnt justify the cost.

I bought a 4k Samsung last year and I would agree on the brightness. The whites really pop out at you. That would be an issue with hockey ice.

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Ike you bitch about your finances all the time and you're sitting in front of a 4K giving expert reviews?




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I just bought a 60" 4K Ultra HD Vizio, new in the box, with a 2-year warranty at Costco yesterday for $450.
It was the last one left. I couldn't believe it.

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I just bought a 60" 4K Ultra HD Vizio, new in the box, with a 2-year warranty at Costco yesterday for $450.
It was the last one left. I couldn't believe it.


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Drunk Squirrel wrote:
My plasma crapped out a few weeks ago and I updated to a 4K Samsung. I think it's the 8000 series. My main complaint is that it is unnaturally bright and it was almost blinding first time I watched hockey in it. Also not as smooth as the plasma was. I loved the oled but I just couldnt justify the cost.

I bought a 4k Samsung last year and I would agree on the brightness. The whites really pop out at you. That would be an issue with hockey ice.

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Try and hold off until Memorial day weekend if you can. You can find the best deals on Superbowl week along with March Madness and the 4 holidays (Chrismas,Memorial,Labor, 4th of July). Read the reviews of the tvs that are on sale. The guy at Best Buy tried to point me in the direction of one 4K TV that was the exact same size as the one I wound up buying but it was $200 more and had almost the exact same specs. He thought it was better reviewed but the one I picked had about 2k more reviews. Also 4k isnt for everyone. First time I looked at a 4k I didnt care for it...but I went to the store enough and saw how great the picture was I knew I had to have one.

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Also Comcast at this time doesnt support 4k support but you can still tell the difference in the picture with out it.

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Amazon also normally has some pretty great deals with no real predictability. Pick a tv you like and wait it out.

I've had great results from every Samsung tv I've ever purchased.

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Also Comcast at this time doesnt support 4k support but you can still tell the difference in the picture with out it.


Is it Directv or Dish you have to go with to see the 4k, because I also have Comcast.

Someone put this around Christmas seeing Las Vegas on youtube, you can get that in 4k


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My plasma crapped out a few weeks ago and I updated to a 4K Samsung. I think it's the 8000 series. My main complaint is that it is unnaturally bright and it was almost blinding first time I watched hockey in it. Also not as smooth as the plasma was. I loved the oled but I just couldnt justify the cost.

That's why hockey ice should be a pale blue and not bright white.

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A subtle blue hue would probably help. I wonder if it would be as visually appealing in person. Might be just a situation that you'd have to get used to it not being white. I've tinkered around with it and can deal with it. Had noticed in the 46 inch screen that it was a bit bright but it was overwhelming on 65 in a dark room. So, either the tinkering helped or I got used to it.


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Thanks for the input everyone . Good stuff .

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My plasma crapped out a few weeks ago and I updated to a 4K Samsung. I think it's the 8000 series. My main complaint is that it is unnaturally bright and it was almost blinding first time I watched hockey in it. Also not as smooth as the plasma was. I loved the oled but I just couldnt justify the cost.

That's why hockey ice should be a pale blue and not bright white.


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Also Comcast at this time doesnt support 4k support but you can still tell the difference in the picture with out it.


Is it Directv or Dish you have to go with to see the 4k, because I also have Comcast.

Someone put this around Christmas seeing Las Vegas on youtube, you can get that in 4k



I dont know about Direct TV or Dish. Ive been there and done that and Im not foolish enough to ever go back to satellite so I couldn't tell you. I do know that Comcast has fooled around with the idea of running 4k including some of their Olympic coverage.

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I think DirecTV is the one piping in 4k for certain events. I believe the Masters (the whole tournament or just the final rounds I'm not sure) is in 4K if you have their service and a capable device.


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