How does this affect you? I know that you are still getting stronger but my understanding is this won't change anything (Senate Bill) and that republicans are unlikely to agree on a deal in conference

For some of our younger board family members around here it wasn't an issue until corporate effeciencies and m&a theives got their hands on it by the prodding of the donor class hell bent on buying their 4th Mercedes.

As a disabled person what's going on now in the name of health care reform is deeply saddening. And the self described saviors have sent a doddering old fool from Wyoming to play 4 corners basketball to provide the rest of the cowardly republicans cover

No longer getting stronger and the stress about that further compounds my status. As it seems that I'll be losing my current insurance, a clear pre existing condition or two pretty much prevents a reasonable economic alternative.

I'm pretty much fucked.

Shut the fuck up, libfag

No longer getting stronger and the stress about that further compounds my status. As it seems that I'll be losing my current insurance, a clear pre existing condition or two pretty much prevents a reasonable economic alternative.

I'm pretty much fucked.

The burden of paying for the fat and sickly to die their slow, expensive deaths should not fall on the healthy.

Then I also shouldn't be paying a shitload of property taxes that go to our public schools when I don't have any kids in their system!

Why do I have to pay for the police and fire services and pensions when I've never used them?

Then I also shouldn't be paying a shitload of property taxes that go to our public schools when I don't have any kids in their system!

Why do I have to pay for the police and fire services and pensions when I've never used them?

This touches on the entire issue. We shouldn't be treating healthcare and education like products. Ben Shapiro actually compared healthcare to buying furniture. His belief being that if he has more money than you he should be able to purchase better healthcare. Of course he took heat from liberals for saying that, but I didn't take it as being as vicious as it sounded. He's just a guy who feels an almost religious devotion to "The Market". In the case of these basic human things the market shouldn't be a factor.

Wealthy people will always have things better than poor people. It's not just healthcare, it's every aspect of life.

Wealthy people will always have things better than poor people. It's not just healthcare, it's every aspect of life.

This touches on the entire issue. We shouldn't be treating healthcare and education like products. Ben Shapiro actually compared healthcare to buying furniture. His belief being that if he has more money than you he should be able to purchase better healthcare. Of course he took heat from liberals for saying that, but I didn't take it as being as vicious as it sounded. He's just a guy who feels an almost religious devotion to "The Market". In the case of these basic human things the market shouldn't be a factor.

I don't know exactly what he said but in terms of people being able to buy better healthcare of course they should be able to.

Really? So the quality of one's healthcare should be dependent on his personal wealth? Why do you believe that?

Really? So the quality of one's healthcare should be dependent on his personal wealth? Why do you believe that?

I see where this is headed with you an Rick so I will just get in here and get out.

Regardless of the system if you think you are ever going to sit in the same doctor waiting room as Bezos you are wrong.

Should I be able to get LASIK and elective plastic surgery with the basic level of healthcare? What if I want a doctor to come to my house once a month to check me out? What if I want a Viagra every day?

That's why the furniture analogy is pretty good. I believe everyone should be able to afford furniture and/or have the government provide the means for them to afford furniture. People more well off may be able to purchase better furniture that provides more things but both people still end up with acceptable furniture.

Are we talking about what you get through work or through the exchange?

What if I want a Viagra every day?

Either one is fine in this discussion. It's the idea that everyone, regardless of how well off they are, should have the EXACT same healthcare.

Wealthy people will always have things better than poor people. It's not just healthcare, it's every aspect of life.

Either one is fine in this discussion. It's the idea that everyone, regardless of how well off they are, should have the EXACT same healthcare.

So shouldn't everyone also drive the same car?

We don't really have to accept that paradigm though.

Why don't they ever upset the apple cart that is the insurance, medical, pharmaceutical and legal professions when they mess with this system?