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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | John Grisham defends child p.o.rn |
I like this guy as an author. This is....odd. Millionaire Author John Grisham Says Not All Men Who Watch Child Porn Are Pedophiles Natalie Robehmed , FORBES STAFF Crime writer John Grisham has said America is unjustly jailing too many citizens for viewing child pornography. In an interview with The Telegraph, Grisham, who earned $17 million last year and tied for 6th place in Forbes' ranking of top-earning authors, attacked the widespread incarceration of those who watch child porn. "We have prisons now filled with guys my age. Sixty-year-old white men in prison who've never harmed anybody, would never touch a child," he told The Telegraph's Peter Foster in an interview to promote his latest novel, Gray Mountain. John Grisham earned an estimated $17 million between June 2013 and June 2014. (Photo credit: Jose Luis Magana/ASSOCIATED PRESS) John Grisham earned an estimated $17 million between June 2013 and June 2014. (Photo credit: Jose Luis Magana/ASSOCIATED PRESS) "But they got online one night and started surfing around, probably had too much to drink or whatever, and pushed the wrong buttons, went too far and got into child porn." Grisham, who is well known for legal thrillers such as A Time to Kill and The Firm, has sold more than 275 million copies since his 1989 debut. Grisham first joined Forbes' top-earning author ranking in 2000, with a $36 million annual paycheck. He has made an estimated $200 million before taxes and fees in the last 14 years. Full List: The World’s Top-Earning Authors "I have no sympathy for real pedophiles,” he said, speaking to The Telegraph from his office in Charlottesville, Virginia. "God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting." "There's so many 'sex offenders' - that's what they're called - that they put them in the same prison. Like they're a bunch of perverts... We've gone nuts with this incarceration," he added, citing an anecdote of a law-school pal who he says accidentally viewed porn that was apparently incorrectly labelled as child porn. The U.S. has the world's largest prison population, with about 2.2 million adults behind bars. Close to a quarter of the world's prisoners are held within American prisons; the U.S. accounts for just 5% of the world's population. According to a 2012 report by the U.S. Sentencing Commision, in the last decade average sentences for those who possess but do not produce child pornography have nearly doubled in the US, from 54 months in 2004 to 95 months in 2010. Commission data also shows that virtually all offenders (96.3%) possess images of minors who were prepubescent or under 12 years of age. In a statement, Grisham apologized and said he regretted his comments, explaining: "Anyone who harms a child for profit or pleasure, or who in any way participates in child pornography—online or otherwise—should be punished to the fullest extent of the law." "My comments made two days ago during an interview with the British newspaper The Telegraph were in no way intended to show sympathy for those convicted of sex crimes, especially the sexual molestation of children. I can think of nothing more despicable." Grisham, whose 2013 release Sycamore Row sold over 1 million copies last year, also pens children's books in the Theodore Boone series, which follows a vivacious, young wannabe-lawyer. |
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| Author: | America [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: John Grisham defends child p.o.rn |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: John Grisham defends child p.o.rn |
You don't click around and accidentally stumble into child porn, you're out there looking for it. Just go to PornHub, everything imaginable and they are all actually 18. If you cant find what you need there, you might as well just hang up the lotion and Kleenex and retire from jerking it. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: John Grisham defends child p.o.rn |
Yeah this is....disturbing. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: John Grisham defends child p.o.rn |
Hank Scorpio wrote: You don't click around and accidentally stumble into child porn, you're out there looking for it. Just go to PornHub, everything imaginable and they are all actually 18. If you cant find what you need there, you might as well just hang up the lotion and Kleenex and retire from jerking it. I don't think PornHub vets the videos people upload to see if the "actresses" are 18. |
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| Author: | America [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: John Grisham defends child p.o.rn |
Hank Scorpio wrote: You don't click around and accidentally stumble into child porn, you're out there looking for it. Just go to PornHub, everything imaginable and they are all actually 18. If you cant find what you need there, you might as well just hang up the lotion and Kleenex and retire from jerking it. 10 years ago it seems at least theoretically possible to fall victim to a deliberately mislabeled torrent or bad click, but nowadays no way. If you find it you wanted to find it. |
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| Author: | America [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: John Grisham defends child p.o.rn |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: You don't click around and accidentally stumble into child porn, you're out there looking for it. Just go to PornHub, everything imaginable and they are all actually 18. If you cant find what you need there, you might as well just hang up the lotion and Kleenex and retire from jerking it. I don't think PornHub vets the videos people upload to see if the "actresses" are 18. I bet they do more cooperating with the FBI on those matters than you think. Pornhub's big business I doubt they would sacrifice it abiding child porn on their website. And even if they dont the thumbnail system makes it very obvious what you are getting yourself into, so you can vet it yourself. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: John Grisham defends child p.o.rn |
America wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: You don't click around and accidentally stumble into child porn, you're out there looking for it. Just go to PornHub, everything imaginable and they are all actually 18. If you cant find what you need there, you might as well just hang up the lotion and Kleenex and retire from jerking it. I don't think PornHub vets the videos people upload to see if the "actresses" are 18. I bet they do more cooperating with the FBI on those matters than you think. Pornhub's big business I doubt they would sacrifice it abiding child porn on their website. And even if they dont the thumbnail system makes it very obvious what you are getting yourself into, so you can vet it yourself. Do you think every guy who watched those early Tracy Lords movies is a pedophile? Because they were clearly child porn. I think the intent is critical here and I could be wrong, but I believe that's what Grisham is saying. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:28 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: You don't click around and accidentally stumble into child porn, you're out there looking for it. Just go to PornHub, everything imaginable and they are all actually 18. If you cant find what you need there, you might as well just hang up the lotion and Kleenex and retire from jerking it. I don't think PornHub vets the videos people upload to see if the "actresses" are 18. I'm sure they do something. Too much money at stake to let the feds shut them down. It's probably just a button to click that says 'I affirm all participants are 18yrs or older'. That's good enough for my conscience. And like America said, the thumbnail lets you know the deal. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:30 am ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: I'm sure they do something. Too much money at stake to let the feds shut them down. It's probably just a button to click that says 'I affirm all participants are 18yrs or older'. That's good enough for my conscience. I think that's Grisham's point. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:31 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I'm sure they do something. Too much money at stake to let the feds shut them down. It's probably just a button to click that says 'I affirm all participants are 18yrs or older'. That's good enough for my conscience. I think that's Grisham's point. You (and Grisham) think people are getting locked up for watching a video on PornHub?!? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:32 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I'm sure they do something. Too much money at stake to let the feds shut them down. It's probably just a button to click that says 'I affirm all participants are 18yrs or older'. That's good enough for my conscience. I think that's Grisham's point. I took his point to be "Lookie no touchie = no foul" |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:33 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I'm sure they do something. Too much money at stake to let the feds shut them down. It's probably just a button to click that says 'I affirm all participants are 18yrs or older'. That's good enough for my conscience. I think that's Grisham's point. I took his point to be "Lookie no touchie = no foul" That was absolutely his point. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: John Grisham defends child p.o.rn |
rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I'm sure they do something. Too much money at stake to let the feds shut them down. It's probably just a button to click that says 'I affirm all participants are 18yrs or older'. That's good enough for my conscience. I think that's Grisham's point. I took his point to be "Lookie no touchie = no foul" Maybe. That would be fucked up though. If you're looking for fourteen year olds to whack it to, you're a pedo and you're supporting whoever is filming that shit. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:35 am ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I'm sure they do something. Too much money at stake to let the feds shut them down. It's probably just a button to click that says 'I affirm all participants are 18yrs or older'. That's good enough for my conscience. I think that's Grisham's point. I took his point to be "Lookie no touchie = no foul" That was absolutely his point. Well, then he seems to be missing the fact that the girls in child porn are actual people. If you're the market for that you're as guilty as the guy who made it. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:37 am ] |
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The Associate, The Appeal, The Street Lawyer and The Testament we're all very good. I celebrate the man's entire catalog. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:38 am ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I'm sure they do something. Too much money at stake to let the feds shut them down. It's probably just a button to click that says 'I affirm all participants are 18yrs or older'. That's good enough for my conscience. I think that's Grisham's point. You (and Grisham) think people are getting locked up for watching a video on PornHub?!? I don't know. I certainly think someone could. I am going to guess there is child porn on PornHub that isn't specifically labelled that way. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:40 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: The Associate, The Appeal, The Street Lawyer and The Testament we're all very good. I celebrate the man's entire catalog. Really? I think the only one I ever read was The Firm and it was stupid as fuck. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:42 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: The Associate, The Appeal, The Street Lawyer and The Testament we're all very good. I celebrate the man's entire catalog. Really? I think the only one I ever read was The Firm and it was stupid as fuck. I'm not a huge reader but my mom loved Grisham (instead of becoming a lawyer like her father and brother, she did this) and I would read the books when she was done. I liked em. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:45 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: The Associate, The Appeal, The Street Lawyer and The Testament we're all very good. I celebrate the man's entire catalog. Really? I think the only one I ever read was The Firm and it was stupid as fuck. I've read The Broker. It was stupid and I never went back for anything else. |
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| Author: | tommy [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:46 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Do you think every guy who watched those early Tracy Lords movies is a pedophile? Because they were clearly child porn. I think the intent is critical here and I could be wrong, but I believe that's what Grisham is saying. I'd think an attorney and novelist would have better control over his words |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:48 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: The Associate, The Appeal, The Street Lawyer and The Testament we're all very good. I celebrate the man's entire catalog. Really? I think the only one I ever read was The Firm and it was stupid as fuck. I'm not a huge reader but my mom loved Grisham (instead of becoming a lawyer like her father and brother, she did this) and I would read the books when she was done. I liked em. Are the other books as outlandish as The Firm? I actually kind of like the movie with Damon and Claire Danes. That's a Grisham, isn't it? |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:48 am ] |
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tommy wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Do you think every guy who watched those early Tracy Lords movies is a pedophile? Because they were clearly child porn. I think the intent is critical here and I could be wrong, but I believe that's what Grisham is saying. I'd think an attorney and novelist would have better control over his words I'm guessing you haven't read his books. 
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:55 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: The Associate, The Appeal, The Street Lawyer and The Testament we're all very good. I celebrate the man's entire catalog. Really? I think the only one I ever read was The Firm and it was stupid as fuck. I'm not a huge reader but my mom loved Grisham (instead of becoming a lawyer like her father and brother, she did this) and I would read the books when she was done. I liked em. Are the other books as outlandish as The Firm? I actually kind of like the movie with Damon and Claire Danes. That's a Grisham, isn't it? Never read The Firm. I dont like reading books after movies have already been made. Maybe the reason the ones I read didnt get made into movies is they weren't that outlandish. Ill say this, it's not something you come away with and think "man, that's gritty realism" It's high drama. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:09 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Well, then he seems to be missing the fact that the girls in child porn are actual people. If you're the market for that you're as guilty as the guy who made it. I initially wouldn't go as far to say they are equally as guilty, but I agree that the viewer/consumer is creating demand and shares some responsibility. That raises a question I hadn't really thought of (I try not to think about this topic too much)...are the creators all pedophiles themselves (making the content mostly for themselves, but then it eventually leaks out or is distributed beyond their circle of pervs), or are there some who find it disgusting but do it for the money? If the latter is actually prevalent, then maybe it really is more an issue with the consumer. Think of it like Breaking Bad...Walter White never used meth, but he was satisfying a market demand for it. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:28 am ] |
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The Rainmaker The Partner The Firm The Runaway Jury All solid reads. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:33 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I'm sure they do something. Too much money at stake to let the feds shut them down. It's probably just a button to click that says 'I affirm all participants are 18yrs or older'. That's good enough for my conscience. I think that's Grisham's point. Regardless though for a guy in his position to come out and say something like this considering everything that has been going on is pretty much career suicide at this point. |
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| Author: | tommy [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:41 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: tommy wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Do you think every guy who watched those early Tracy Lords movies is a pedophile? Because they were clearly child porn. I think the intent is critical here and I could be wrong, but I believe that's what Grisham is saying. I'd think an attorney and novelist would have better control over his words I'm guessing you haven't read his books. No worse that Turow. Wait--they actually are worse than Turow. (Only read two Turow books, though. Maybe four of Grisham. Was pretty much the same book, apart from The Firm. He's got some kind of baseball book, doesn't he? This is a rather long jaunt for parenthetical information, by the way.) |
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| Author: | tommy [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:43 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: The Rainmaker The Partner The Firm The Runaway Jury All solid reads. I think those are the four I read....wait, not The Rainmaker. The Pelican Brief. Formulaic but alright, I guess. The Firm was fun. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:46 am ] |
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Why can't they just make that 3d porn for these people? Then their argument of not actually hurting anyone would be true. |
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