Another of the baseless claims by Ogie

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You are terrible. Your performance here today was even worse than Chus's, and he had a historically awful day here.

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The "I don't want to derail other threads into my usual train wrecks so I'm just going to cause a bunch of separate train wrecks" approach by LTG is surely an interesting one.

What is worse, the <insert anything> or LTGs posting? Discuss.

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Take it easy champ. I could pull up hundreds of Cubs' threads where you have made a complete ass out of yourself.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Not just Cubs threads.

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You're getting your ass handed to you today. Just take the L and move on. BTW, you still have open questions in the thread you started last night. We are dying to know what an "infidel" is.

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=109483&start=60

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I was trying not to hit him over the head. I also conceded that I was wrong in the Bears' thread. I doubt we will ever see Frank say that.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Nah just provide a source for your rather frivolous claims regarding free elections in Poland leading to the start of the Cold War.

Let's play the source game.

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Check and Mate

You can read this article online with a free registration.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/445087?seq ... b_contents

It is from a 1961 publication of The Western Political Quarterly, but given the fact it is detailing events in 1946, the age of the piece does not negate the facts within it. Tell me again about my "frivolous claims"

You are really bad at this game, meanwhile you have run with your tail between your legs from the 3 other threads you started.

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You got to like my style.

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Bates College? Well I will be goddamned. This is your evidence. Let me look at this bullshit again for I'm accused to getting something wrong. Some dude wrote a paper from Bates College. Persistent Claims? You don't even know what the fuck the Cold War was about.

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read the article. I know it's something you struggle with as you consistently post links which contradict your own arguments or argue something completely different from what you claim they do.

Also note my source comes from academic material rather than your pathetic InfoWars knock-offs.

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For a guy that constantly rails against all sources you cite a guy from Bates College? I will read this because unlike you I actually like to read. I don't source hunt but I played the game that you like to play on this one.

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I provided a valid source. Unlike your sources my source actually supports the argument which I have made while also being an academic source with a very long works cited page of its own.

Go ahead and keep making an ass of yourself. Everyone is seeing you for the fraud you are.

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Fuck both of you weird clowns. Shit Christ fuck damn. Fuck! Shit!

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You should write children's books.

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I think he's doing a Curb Your Enthusiasm bit. that one episode where they start swearing at each other in the restaurant so not to offend the chef with tourettes.

I wrote a few already... I thought that was common knowledge

You little fuck, I'll never buy cheap rubbers again.
Yes Johnny, you will die slowly. Sorry.
I hate you as much as your mother does.
Daddy's guns are fun to play with.
I killed your dog because you won't brush your teeth
Kids are why daddy prefers anal.

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Go ahead and keep making an ass of yourself. Everyone is seeing you for the fraud you are.[/quote]


As I stated previously I will read this. But since you are so interested in the credential game (since you keep citing it) I will indulge your lightweight ass.

The Cold War didn't begin because of hurt feelings over Poland. The Cold War was a comprehensive plan initiated by Harry Truman which sought to stop the spread of Communism. If you think that he funded Chiang in China because of Poland you're an idiot. If you think that he fought in Korea because of Poland you're an idiot. If you think that he overthrew Arbenz in Guatemala because of Poland you're an idiot.

Roosevelt pretty much knew he'd renege on Poland. It was never a damn deal killer.

The Cold War was about World Domination not Poland. It was much bigger than free elections in Poland. If Stalin had provided Free elections for Poland there still would have been a Cold War.

The United States Govt mistakenly believed that Stalin wanted to expand Communism to areas in which it didn't exist. Stalin was only concerned with controlling Eastern Europe. Most historians believe that it was for security reasons. His sphere of influence was relegated primarily to those areas and by most accounts he was content with that. He also realized that he was not equipped to really compete with the U.S. He couldn't compete economically nor could he compete militarily.

The policy and framework for fighting the Cold War was provided by Truman with his Truman Doctrine. The containment strategy was created by George Kennan. In it Eastern Europe was essentially ceded to the Soviets and a "Two Worlds" philosophy was born. One Communist and one Democratic or so the thinking went. The U.S. was intent on making sure that Communist wouldn't spread anywhere outside the Soviet Sphere of influence i.e. Eastern Europe.

That's why proxy wars throughout the rest of the world were fought. In the Truman Doctrine he vowed to fight "the spread" of Communism. The problem was that the Soviets weren't concerned about spreading Communism.

That is why a number of Historians have criticized the U.S. It was an unnecessary War if you will. The Soviet threat was more imagined than anything. It was always overhyped, much like the terrorist threat.

If you believe that all of this was done because of Poland you are a damn idiot.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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You know you've got LTG on the run when either of these two things happen:

1. "You don't know what the hell you're talking about" makes an appearance multiple times.

2. When he screws up the quote function.

When both happen, you've won.

Are you sure?

https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=81

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-hist ... -announced

What about the deflection regarding my credentials or my sources? At what point does that occur in your little hypothesis?

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I've been peeing in the Keurig at Zippy-the-Pinhead's office.

and the point you completely miss is that the Truman Doctrine was a reactionary move to the aggressive moves made by the Soviets in Poland and across Eastern Europe when they violated the agreements made at Yalta.

My argument was never that the Cold War was fought over Poland. My argument has been that the Soviets were the aggressors when they violated agreements made late in the War to allow free and fair elections in Poland. In doing so they were the aggressors of a Cold War which quickly spread to other regions. This literally made Poland the starting point of the Cold War as it was the first theater where the Soviets seized control via puppet government in violation of their agreements.

My initial argument (direct quote from me below as argued in the Milo thread):
"The Cold War was started when the Soviets withdrew a pledge to allow Democratic elections in Poland postwar and turned all of Eastern Europe into either satellite states or annexed them into the Soviet Union."

You tried arguing it stated in 1947 with the Truman Doctrine, yet my entire argument is the events of 1946, taken by the Soviets, are what led to the Truman Doctrine. Remember, Churchill's Iron Curtain speech also predates The Truman Doctrine by a year as well and was also in response to the Soviet capture and enslavement of Eastern Europe.

Tell me, if the Soviets don't turn Eastern Europe into a series of satellite states, is there even a Truman Doctrine?

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I'd say yes because the U.S. was fearful that Communism might gain a foothold in Central and Western Europe. The Cold War was basically the terms by which the post WWII world would be fought.

The satellites were ceded to the Soviets and it was essentially understood that the Soviets were entitled to that part of the world. U.S. was never going to contest that. They tried to provide aid to a few countries in Eastern Europe and they yelled hell yeah when Tito stood up to Stalin but for the most part they didn't give a damn about Eastern Europe.

U.S. misread Stalin's intentions. Stalin was an asshole know doubt. Killed one his wives and allowed the Germans to kill his son when he probably could have saved him. I'm not advocating for him. I'm simply stating that he wasn't the aggressor during the Cold War.

His aggression was restricted to the Satellites. He ruled them with an iron fist. He didn't attempt to influence matters outside of his sphere of influence.

When you look at U.S. actions during the Cold War you realize that we attempted to influence matters on just about every continent. That's a fact. We also threw our Democratic principals out the window as we implemented policies emphasizing "realistic diplomacy" Silly ass domino theory necessitated that we fight woebegotten nations in far away lands i.e. Vietnam and Korea. Soviet Union had no interest in those countries.



It was essentially a useless War if you want to call it that. The reverberations from it are being felt today in fact.

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I'd also add this as a reason why your argument regarding free elections is without merit. Not only didn't the U.S. feel all that strong about Poland but they didn't feel that strongly about free elections. The notion about Democratic elections was a myth. The U.S. was concerned about free elections only when they could control the outcome.

That was the case in Vietnam, Guatemala, and Chile. When they couldn't control the outcome free elections be damned.

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This is getting old.

I don't care about any of these shithole countries. I just care about America.

Someone start a USA topic to put the sanity back in these forums.

A true America Firster.

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Yes, America First. I liked Trump's America First message and it was very powerful. too bad the MF isn't putting America First now when he has the chance to

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