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Wouldn't be the first time someone applied for a warrant using only information that would get them that warrant. Why would anyone put in information that would lead to the warrant not being issued.

A bit disconcerting that a Yahoo News article is good enough for a FISA warrant, though.
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if everyone who gives a fuck about this russia/fbi/comey/mueller garbage just dropped dead the world would get so much better its really hard to describe.
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Memo: No FISA warrant without Dossier. Which means no Russia collusion story without Dossier. Which means no Mueller special counsel without Dossier paid for by Clinton/DNC. Shut it down.
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Sally Yates? Check
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Memo: No FISA warrant without Dossier. Which means no Russia collusion story without Dossier. Which means no Mueller special counsel without Dossier paid for by Clinton/DNC. Shut it down.


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Pablum. Says absolutely nothing as to the origins of the basis to find surveillance of Carter Page proper and continued from it's beginnings in 2013. Pure politics.

But you really wonder about Carter Page's real role in the campaign and how his company is funded. Money laundering anyone?

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So basically Trump is innocent?

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So basically Trump is innocent?


As the mind of a young child!

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So basically Trump is innocent?

there was nothing for him to be guilty of to begin with. it was all bullshit, even this stupid memo is bullshit.
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Pablum. Says absolutely nothing as to the origins of the basis to find surveillance of Carter Page proper and continued from it's beginnings in 2013. Pure politics.

But you really wonder about Carter Page's real role in the campaign and how his company is funded. Money laundering anyone?


They extended the warrant like 4 times. Carter Page is either the dumbest person in America or a criminal.

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The dossier compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the
Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an
essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who
was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law ?rm Perkins Coie
and research ?rm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump?s ties
to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or
reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or. any party/campaign in funding
Steele?s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then
known to senior and FBI officials.


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This thread is gonna be awesome. It'll be like watching The Five only with dumber more partisan panelists.
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Pablum. Says absolutely nothing as to the origins of the basis to find surveillance of Carter Page proper and continued from it's beginnings in 2013. Pure politics.

But you really wonder about Carter Page's real role in the campaign and how his company is funded. Money laundering anyone?


They extended the warrant like 4 times. Carter Page is either the dumbest person in America or a criminal.


Do you really not see the issue here? Each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause, and Rod Rosenstein approved an application that used the DNC-funded dossier as that "reasonable amount of suspicion" but didn't tell the FISC judge about it. That's absolutely unnerving. People can dig up dirt on you and present it to the DOJ who can put it on a secret application to a secret court to surveil you.
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i mean they'll just spy on your anyway. this isn't breaking news. did anyone reasonably doubt that Trump was being spied on since his first presidential try like a decade ago?
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Wow. Who will be the first person named in this to blow their brains out today?
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Wow. Who will be the first person named in this to blow their brains out today?


The person with the most dirt on HRC

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Well, this memo certainly won't end the investigation. Rod Rosenstein getting fired won't end the investigation.

If this special counsel is BS, why are people pleading guilty to the charges?

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Nas wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Pablum. Says absolutely nothing as to the origins of the basis to find surveillance of Carter Page proper and continued from it's beginnings in 2013. Pure politics.

But you really wonder about Carter Page's real role in the campaign and how his company is funded. Money laundering anyone?


They extended the warrant like 4 times. Carter Page is either the dumbest person in America or a criminal.


Do you really not see the issue here? Each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause, and Rod Rosenstein approved an application that used the DNC-funded dossier as that "reasonable amount of suspicion" but didn't tell the FISC judge about it. That's absolutely unnerving. People can dig up dirt on you and present it to the DOJ who can put it on a secret application to a secret court to surveil you.


He's been under FBI counterintelligence investigation since 2013 and actively spoke against American policy here and in Russia for years, but this simplistic memo encourages MANY to ignore that. If the actual surveillance petition was between 100-400 pages long (& the Steele dossier is only 32 pages)what's missing from this fraud, and why are you so willing to ignore it?

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Regular Reader wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Pablum. Says absolutely nothing as to the origins of the basis to find surveillance of Carter Page proper and continued from it's beginnings in 2013. Pure politics.

But you really wonder about Carter Page's real role in the campaign and how his company is funded. Money laundering anyone?


They extended the warrant like 4 times. Carter Page is either the dumbest person in America or a criminal.


Do you really not see the issue here? Each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause, and Rod Rosenstein approved an application that used the DNC-funded dossier as that "reasonable amount of suspicion" but didn't tell the FISC judge about it. That's absolutely unnerving. People can dig up dirt on you and present it to the DOJ who can put it on a secret application to a secret court to surveil you.


He's been under FBI counterintelligence investigation since 2013 and actively spoke against American policy here and in Russia for years, but this simplistic memo encourages MANY to ignore that. If the actual surveillance petition was between 100-400 pages long (& the Steele dossier is only 32 pages)what's missing from this fraud, and why are you so willing to ignore it?


You'd think people would want to read the Dem memo pointing out the problems with this memo, but those people apparently do not post here.
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Nas wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Pablum. Says absolutely nothing as to the origins of the basis to find surveillance of Carter Page proper and continued from it's beginnings in 2013. Pure politics.

But you really wonder about Carter Page's real role in the campaign and how his company is funded. Money laundering anyone?


They extended the warrant like 4 times. Carter Page is either the dumbest person in America or a criminal.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/us/politics/fisa-surveillance-applications-how-they-work.html

Under the law, FISA orders targeting Americans are good for 90 days, but extensions “may be granted on the same basis as an original order.” The application, however, must consist of newly produced findings that the standards are met rather than merely recycling the previously signed documents.

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The biggest joke of all this is that Carter Page came under suspicion for being a Russian agent in the first place. Far too dumb. He failed his PhD thesis TWICE.

I don't know how he is an expert at anything, let alone Russia. In television interviews I've seen with him, he can hardly put a sentence together.


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Regular Reader wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Pablum. Says absolutely nothing as to the origins of the basis to find surveillance of Carter Page proper and continued from it's beginnings in 2013. Pure politics.

But you really wonder about Carter Page's real role in the campaign and how his company is funded. Money laundering anyone?


They extended the warrant like 4 times. Carter Page is either the dumbest person in America or a criminal.


Do you really not see the issue here? Each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause, and Rod Rosenstein approved an application that used the DNC-funded dossier as that "reasonable amount of suspicion" but didn't tell the FISC judge about it. That's absolutely unnerving. People can dig up dirt on you and present it to the DOJ who can put it on a secret application to a secret court to surveil you.


He's been under FBI counterintelligence investigation since 2013 and actively spoke against American policy here and in Russia for years, but this simplistic memo encourages MANY to ignore that. If the actual surveillance petition was between 100-400 pages long (& the Steele dossier is only 32 pages)what's missing from this fraud, and why are you so willing to ignore it?


Why are you so willing to ignore the central issue here? It is NOT that the FBI lacked sufficient evidence to investigate or otherwise substantiate probable cause, that IS. NOT. THE. ISSUE. HERE.

The fact that Steele's dossier was presented to the FISC judge without the caveat that the dossier was opposition research for a political campaign, and the guy who signed off on one of those applications is presently presiding over the independent counsel and approving all of his actions IS. THE. ISSUE. HERE.
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Peter Puck wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Pablum. Says absolutely nothing as to the origins of the basis to find surveillance of Carter Page proper and continued from it's beginnings in 2013. Pure politics.

But you really wonder about Carter Page's real role in the campaign and how his company is funded. Money laundering anyone?


They extended the warrant like 4 times. Carter Page is either the dumbest person in America or a criminal.


Do you really not see the issue here? Each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause, and Rod Rosenstein approved an application that used the DNC-funded dossier as that "reasonable amount of suspicion" but didn't tell the FISC judge about it. That's absolutely unnerving. People can dig up dirt on you and present it to the DOJ who can put it on a secret application to a secret court to surveil you.


He's been under FBI counterintelligence investigation since 2013 and actively spoke against American policy here and in Russia for years, but this simplistic memo encourages MANY to ignore that. If the actual surveillance petition was between 100-400 pages long (& the Steele dossier is only 32 pages)what's missing from this fraud, and why are you so willing to ignore it?


You'd think people would want to read the Dem memo pointing out the problems with this memo, but those people apparently do not post here.


What are you? Gay?

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And now they're reporting that this memo was written by some aide named Patel who apparently has an ax to grind for not being granted security clearance to go work for the NSA, leaving him stuck in the hellhole he perceived his job to be at the DOJ.

I say investigate this pissant!

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Pablum. Says absolutely nothing as to the origins of the basis to find surveillance of Carter Page proper and continued from it's beginnings in 2013. Pure politics.

But you really wonder about Carter Page's real role in the campaign and how his company is funded. Money laundering anyone?


They extended the warrant like 4 times. Carter Page is either the dumbest person in America or a criminal.


Do you really not see the issue here? Each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause, and Rod Rosenstein approved an application that used the DNC-funded dossier as that "reasonable amount of suspicion" but didn't tell the FISC judge about it. That's absolutely unnerving. People can dig up dirt on you and present it to the DOJ who can put it on a secret application to a secret court to surveil you.


He's been under FBI counterintelligence investigation since 2013 and actively spoke against American policy here and in Russia for years, but this simplistic memo encourages MANY to ignore that. If the actual surveillance petition was between 100-400 pages long (& the Steele dossier is only 32 pages)what's missing from this fraud, and why are you so willing to ignore it?


Why are you so willing to ignore the central issue here? It is NOT that the FBI lacked sufficient evidence to investigate or otherwise substantiate probable cause, that IS. NOT. THE. ISSUE. HERE.

The fact that Steele's dossier was presented to the FISC judge without the caveat that the dossier was opposition research for a political campaign, and the guy who signed off on one of those applications is presently presiding over the independent counsel and approving all of his actions IS. THE. ISSUE. HERE.


How do you know if the judge raised that concerns himself, or not? Your typically politically motivated assumptions are showing.

THE. ISSUE. HERE. IS. COMPLETE. TRANSPARENCY. Not the juvenile cherry picking on display here.

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I don't know how he is an expert at anything, let alone Russia. In television interviews I've seen with him, he can hardly put a sentence together.

That is because he is guilty and nervous about perjuring himself.

This investigation is literally going to make the coverup(see: obstruction) worse than the crime. It's not even so much what the Administration did, the focus is going to be lying about the when, where, and with whom.

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You'd think people would want to read the Dem memo pointing out the problems with this memo, but those people apparently do not post here.


I'll gladly read it, but unless they have specific evidence that Steele's dossier wasn't presented to the FISC judge and it wasn't mentioned that the dossier was political opposition research funded by an American political part and presidential candidate, nothing is going to change.
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