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Author:  312player [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Israel

I've long hated our fake buddies like Israel and Saudi Arabia and a handful of other shitball countries.. The knee jerk reaction of many on this board is to shout " anti semite !" @ any critical view of Israel..

Lets see Curious hair, Rick and Jorr spin this one.

sg.news.yahoo.com/cash-custody-israel-kicks-off-deportation-african-migrants-152823847.html

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Two pages of reasonable discussion and no personal attacks.

Author:  Nas [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

One of these a year.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:28 pm ]
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Israel is small and overextended. They can't take on infinite refugees. Send them here or to Canada.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:34 pm ]
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Two pages of reasonable discussion and no personal attacks.

:lol: :lol:

Author:  Don Tiny [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

312player wrote:
I've long hated our fake buddies like Israel and Saudi Arabia and a handful of other shitball countries.. The knee jerk reaction of many on this board is to shout " anti semite !" @ any critical view of Israel..

Lets see Curious hair, Rick and Jorr spin this one.

sg.news.yahoo.com/cash-custody-israel-kicks-off-deportation-african-migrants-152823847.html


(a) it's "shithole";
(b) it's "MANY";
(c) it's BRick;
(d) it's JORR; and,
(e) it's either "." or "...", but never "..".

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:02 pm ]
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Two pages of reasonable discussion and no personal attacks.


A billion pages.

But only one Paige.

Author:  long time guy [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Two pages of reasonable discussion and no personal attacks.


Disclosing of personal information will suit just fine.

Author:  IMU [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

The people that sought asylum now choose to provide none.

Author:  America [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

lol of course Israel wants nothing to do with the refugees they create.

I dont know what to tell you, its an apartheid government. I'm not sure that is even a bad thing anymore when the alternative is national suicide.

Author:  ToxicMasculinity [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Send them back to their shitholes. Every country should. Make Earth Great Again

Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

America wrote:
lol of course Israel wants nothing to do with the refugees they create.

I dont know what to tell you, its an apartheid government. I'm not sure that is even a bad thing anymore when the alternative is national suicide.



Ridiculous. The apartheid governments are the Arabs that refuse to absorb their fellows and maintain a permanent "refugee" class ("Palestinians") with the assistance of UNRWA.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
America wrote:
lol of course Israel wants nothing to do with the refugees they create.

I dont know what to tell you, its an apartheid government. I'm not sure that is even a bad thing anymore when the alternative is national suicide.



Ridiculous. The apartheid governments are the Arabs that refuse to absorb their fellows and maintain a permanent "refugee" class ("Palestinians") with the assistance of UNRWA.

Tonight, on METV ... The Rockford Files at 7, followed by The Man From U.N.R.W.A. at 8 ...

Author:  Brick [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?

Author:  long time guy [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?


Sportsbook in Vegas has placed odds at 400-1 regarding whether or not this particular post has anything to do with the original topic.

Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?



Really, here's the way I see it. People will always say it's not anti-Semitism, yet there are hundreds of bad state actors in the world and they aren't regularly getting threads created complaining about their behavior.

And look, I'm not Jewish. I've been guilty of stereotyping too. There are pretty much two kinds of people in the world. Jews and anti-Semites. But we should be intelligent enough to recognize something for the bullshit it is.

You look at the way Jordan, Lebanon and modern Syria were created, carved out of the Ottoman Empire from League of Nations mandates in the wake of WWI. Yet nobody ever questions their right to exist. Why do you think that is? What is it that is different about Israel? Hmmm. What could it be?

Author:  Brick [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?



Really, here's the way I see it. People will always say it's not anti-Semitism, yet there are hundreds of bad state actors in the world and they aren't regularly getting threads created complaining about their behavior.

And look, I'm not Jewish. I've been guilty of stereotyping too. There are pretty much two kinds of people in the world. Jews and anti-Semites. But we should be intelligent enough to recognize something for the bullshit it is.

You look at the way Jordan, Lebanon and modern Syria were created, carved out of the Ottoman Empire from League of Nations mandates in the wake of WWI. Yet nobody ever questions their right to exist. Why do you think that is? What is it that is different about Israel? Hmmm. What could it be?

312players post is a good example. If Canada were doing this exact thing it's basically "This is bad" but with Israel the point is much more amplified.

However I don't think any country should be required or expected to take on refugees. It would be nice if they could but it has to make sense for the country. It's not a shock that a country as small as Israel that will shrink at some point who literally has to negotiate with neighbors for the right to exist to have their own reasons.

Maybe France can step up and take them.

Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?



Really, here's the way I see it. People will always say it's not anti-Semitism, yet there are hundreds of bad state actors in the world and they aren't regularly getting threads created complaining about their behavior.

And look, I'm not Jewish. I've been guilty of stereotyping too. There are pretty much two kinds of people in the world. Jews and anti-Semites. But we should be intelligent enough to recognize something for the bullshit it is.

You look at the way Jordan, Lebanon and modern Syria were created, carved out of the Ottoman Empire from League of Nations mandates in the wake of WWI. Yet nobody ever questions their right to exist. Why do you think that is? What is it that is different about Israel? Hmmm. What could it be?

312players post is a good example. If Canada were doing this exact thing it's basically "This is bad" but with Israel the point is much more amplified.

However I don't think any country should be required or expected to take on refugees. It would be nice if they could but it has to make sense for the country. It's not a shock that a country as small as Israel that will shrink at some point who literally has to negotiate with neighbors for the right to exist to have their own reasons.

Maybe France can step up and take them.


Yeah, and while I've been a vociferous defender of Israel, obviously something has to be done or Israel will become an apartheid state. It will be very difficult for a state based upon religion to remain democratic.

One problem is the concept of a "two-state solution" is phony. From the perspective of the Arabs (and Iran) a two-state solution is merely a pit stop on the way to the complete elimination of Israel or a club with which to beat Israel over the head like the very concept of "Palestinians" itself.

But the larger issue is that Jews have been hounded out of every country where they've ever lived, forced to live as second class citizens, and then of course, the ultimate attempt at a "solution", Shoah.

At this point, the lunatic right aside, Jewish identity isn't really about religion. I think we can scoff at the idea that land was deeded to certain people by God while at the same time recognizing that nobody has ever really accepted those people as fellow citizens and that they should be able to live without constant threat of being wiped off the face of the earth.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

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Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

One of the silliest opinions consistently presented on here is JORR’s “everybody’s an anti Semite” take. I promise you a very large contingent of people do not give a single fuck if someone is Jewish or not.

Author:  Nas [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?



Really, here's the way I see it. People will always say it's not anti-Semitism, yet there are hundreds of bad state actors in the world and they aren't regularly getting threads created complaining about their behavior.

And look, I'm not Jewish. I've been guilty of stereotyping too. There are pretty much two kinds of people in the world. Jews and anti-Semites. But we should be intelligent enough to recognize something for the bullshit it is.

You look at the way Jordan, Lebanon and modern Syria were created, carved out of the Ottoman Empire from League of Nations mandates in the wake of WWI. Yet nobody ever questions their right to exist. Why do you think that is? What is it that is different about Israel? Hmmm. What could it be?


Great way to win a debate. If you disagree you're an antisemite. It's ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as you would find it if I accused you and 95% of the posters here of being racist because you all have a different opinion about something involving a person of color.

Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

FavreFan wrote:
One of the silliest opinions consistently presented on here is JORR’s “everybody’s an anti Semite” take. I promise you a very large contingent of people do not give a single fuck if someone is Jewish or not.


History supports my contention.

Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?



Really, here's the way I see it. People will always say it's not anti-Semitism, yet there are hundreds of bad state actors in the world and they aren't regularly getting threads created complaining about their behavior.

And look, I'm not Jewish. I've been guilty of stereotyping too. There are pretty much two kinds of people in the world. Jews and anti-Semites. But we should be intelligent enough to recognize something for the bullshit it is.

You look at the way Jordan, Lebanon and modern Syria were created, carved out of the Ottoman Empire from League of Nations mandates in the wake of WWI. Yet nobody ever questions their right to exist. Why do you think that is? What is it that is different about Israel? Hmmm. What could it be?


Great way to win a debate. If you disagree you're an antisemite. It's ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as you would find it if I accused you and 95% of the posters here of being racist because you all have a different opinion about something involving a person of color.


You're the one who isn't making argument here. I'm simply stating facts. What is it that's different about Israel? That's a rhetorical question. We all know the answer.

Author:  Nas [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?



Really, here's the way I see it. People will always say it's not anti-Semitism, yet there are hundreds of bad state actors in the world and they aren't regularly getting threads created complaining about their behavior.

And look, I'm not Jewish. I've been guilty of stereotyping too. There are pretty much two kinds of people in the world. Jews and anti-Semites. But we should be intelligent enough to recognize something for the bullshit it is.

You look at the way Jordan, Lebanon and modern Syria were created, carved out of the Ottoman Empire from League of Nations mandates in the wake of WWI. Yet nobody ever questions their right to exist. Why do you think that is? What is it that is different about Israel? Hmmm. What could it be?


Great way to win a debate. If you disagree you're an antisemite. It's ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as you would find it if I accused you and 95% of the posters here of being racist because you all have a different opinion about something involving a person of color.


You're the one who isn't making argument here. I'm simply stating facts. What is it that's different about Israel? That's a rhetorical question. We all know the answer.


They're a very powerful and influential country. Their influence in our country makes them an easy target.

You weren't making an argument. You were attempting to shut down debate.

Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?



Really, here's the way I see it. People will always say it's not anti-Semitism, yet there are hundreds of bad state actors in the world and they aren't regularly getting threads created complaining about their behavior.

And look, I'm not Jewish. I've been guilty of stereotyping too. There are pretty much two kinds of people in the world. Jews and anti-Semites. But we should be intelligent enough to recognize something for the bullshit it is.

You look at the way Jordan, Lebanon and modern Syria were created, carved out of the Ottoman Empire from League of Nations mandates in the wake of WWI. Yet nobody ever questions their right to exist. Why do you think that is? What is it that is different about Israel? Hmmm. What could it be?


Great way to win a debate. If you disagree you're an antisemite. It's ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as you would find it if I accused you and 95% of the posters here of being racist because you all have a different opinion about something involving a person of color.


You're the one who isn't making argument here. I'm simply stating facts. What is it that's different about Israel? That's a rhetorical question. We all know the answer.


They're a very powerful and influential country. Their influence in our country makes them an easy target.


:lol:

Author:  Nas [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?



Really, here's the way I see it. People will always say it's not anti-Semitism, yet there are hundreds of bad state actors in the world and they aren't regularly getting threads created complaining about their behavior.

And look, I'm not Jewish. I've been guilty of stereotyping too. There are pretty much two kinds of people in the world. Jews and anti-Semites. But we should be intelligent enough to recognize something for the bullshit it is.

You look at the way Jordan, Lebanon and modern Syria were created, carved out of the Ottoman Empire from League of Nations mandates in the wake of WWI. Yet nobody ever questions their right to exist. Why do you think that is? What is it that is different about Israel? Hmmm. What could it be?


Great way to win a debate. If you disagree you're an antisemite. It's ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as you would find it if I accused you and 95% of the posters here of being racist because you all have a different opinion about something involving a person of color.


You're the one who isn't making argument here. I'm simply stating facts. What is it that's different about Israel? That's a rhetorical question. We all know the answer.


They're a very powerful and influential country. Their influence in our country makes them an easy target.


:lol:


How many world leaders get invited to speak before Congress? How many people speak before Congress and have democrats and republicans cheering? Not even our presidents get that.

Author:  SuperMario [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Ugh. This again. I think Leash and Denis have the right idea.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
One of the silliest opinions consistently presented on here is JORR’s “everybody’s an anti Semite” take. I promise you a very large contingent of people do not give a single fuck if someone is Jewish or not.


History supports my contention.

No.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

SuperMario wrote:
Ugh. This again. I think Leash and Denis have the right idea.


Dennis certainly does.

Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Israel

FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
One of the silliest opinions consistently presented on here is JORR’s “everybody’s an anti Semite” take. I promise you a very large contingent of people do not give a single fuck if someone is Jewish or not.


History supports my contention.

No.



How so? If we look at history, what country has accepted Jews and allowed them to live as equal citizens? I suppose you could say the USA, but even here they're seen as an "other". And really, it's a very small sample, largely post WWII. Do you think there are any dog whistles in this thread?

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