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Author: | JORR [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:56 am ] |
Post subject: | New ID to help non-citizens vote |
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagot ... y,amp.html I know it's great when Dreamers vote. Is it okay for Russians to vote too? |
Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Can't imagine black politicians would be in favor of that? |
Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Who has ability, time, and/or money to get a municipal ID? |
Author: | Putin [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-rahm-emanuel-municipal-id-vote-20180216-story,amp.html I know it's great when Dreamers vote. Is it okay for Russians to vote too? WHth you and TovarHsh JLN and AmerHika and Farm of Trolls hacking vote, RussHians already vote in AmerHka! |
Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
I love "well you can go out and get a fake ID to vote right now, and nobody does that, so why are you [racists] worried about this ID given out in a sanctuary city tacitly enabling non-citizens to vote in our elections?" Is BRick an alderman in Chicago? |
Author: | sinicalypse [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
they gonna put RFID in these fuxrs? or are we ok without RFID/implants cuz the real mark of the beast is in all the cellphones we pay premiums to lug around? don't have one? obummer's got your back! |
Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. But lets not let that that deter those desperate to get oddly hyperbolic on a non issue in the cities. But I wonder why are you so dead set to deny our Hispanic brethren their right to vote, especially when your idiot president and his multi million dollar questionable ![]() ![]() And as for who would be in favor of it, I don't think it would be a problem for most here here(excepting Mt. Greenwood and Jefferson Park), certainly not like in DuPage, McHenry or Will counties. |
Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Regular Reader wrote: In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. But lets not let that that deter those desperate to get oddly hyperbolic on a non issue in the cities. But I wonder why are you so dead set to deny our Hispanic brethren their right to vote, especially when your idiot president and his multi million dollar questionable ![]() ![]() And as for who would be in favor of it, I don't think it would be a problem for most here here(excepting Mt. Greenwood and Jefferson Park), certainly not like in DuPage, McHenry or Will counties. ![]() |
Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
I didn't realize Chicago's black aldermen would be in favor of giving Latinos more power in the city council and potentially mayor's office. |
Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Hatchetman wrote: I didn't realize Chicago's black aldermen would be in favor of giving Latinos more power in the city council and potentially mayor's office. Many would object, if only because it means that a different group of outsiders then controlled the pulpit pimps. |
Author: | chaspoppcap [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Regular Reader wrote: In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. But lets not let that that deter those desperate to get oddly hyperbolic on a non issue in the cities. But I wonder why are you so dead set to deny our Hispanic brethren their right to vote, especially when your idiot president and his multi million dollar questionable ![]() ![]() And as for who would be in favor of it, I don't think it would be a problem for most here here(excepting Mt. Greenwood and Jefferson Park), certainly not like in DuPage, McHenry or Will counties. I think that is because in the blue states where it would be a thing,like Cali and illinois, it was blocked by the PTB in those states who seem to be fucking Dems. Now on the surface the card sems a good idea,combines Library and CTA card. The problem is when you look at what else it can be used for,oh like getting other services,like SNAP ,public housing. As I said the spokesperson from City Hall on Roe Cohn show the other day when asked about if it could be used to illegally register to vote and what the city could do to prevent it,she flippantly replied"That is someone else problem." |
Author: | JORR [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Regular Reader wrote: In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's beside the point. Do you think non-citizens should be allowed to vote? Do you think our elected officials should be encouraging them to do so? Brushing it off as nothing seems really disingenuous when your hair is on fire over a few Russians spending 50 grand on social media ads. And I know Trump was ridiculed for suggesting that millions of illegals voted in the 2016 presidential election, and while I don't find such a scenario likely, the truth is we don't know how many ineligible voters voted. I think it's safe to say it's more than zero. Also, If you're so worried that Carter Page having lunch with a Russian may have had an effect on the "integrity of our elections", shouldn't you be equally concerned that electoral votes are apportioned based on counting people that are non-citizens and should not be counted? |
Author: | Baby McNown [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Regular Reader wrote: In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. But lets not let that that deter those desperate to get oddly hyperbolic on a non issue in the cities. But I wonder why are you so dead set to deny our Hispanic brethren their right to vote, especially when your idiot president and his multi million dollar questionable ![]() ![]() And as for who would be in favor of it, I don't think it would be a problem for most here here(excepting Mt. Greenwood and Jefferson Park), certainly not like in DuPage, McHenry or Will counties. ![]() Translation: "when you shoot down my talking point to where I have nothing to copy and paste I will just dismiss you" |
Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Regular Reader wrote: In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's beside the point. Do you think non-citizens should be allowed to vote? Do you think our elected officials should be encouraging them to do so? Local Boards of elections certainly can set their own reasonable standards to determine the eligibility standards for voting so the card is also beside the point from where I sit. I don't know why it's any different for you with this either. And to answer your question, I don't see why any non-citizen should be able to vote. Brushing it off as nothing seems really disingenuous when your hair is on fire over a few Russians spending 50 grand on social media ads. Actually I've said to you on repeated occasions that I think it's a single symptom of the real problem which starts with the criminal conspiracy of Trump, the Mercers(Cambridge Analytica), the Kremlin's oligarchs and much of what constitutes republican leadership bent on forcing this country into 1855 and bankruptcy to help those who would wreck this country in their pay to play scams. And I know Trump was ridiculed for suggesting that millions of illegals voted in the 2016 presidential election, and while I don't find such a scenario likely, the truth is we don't know how many ineligible voters voted. I think it's safe to say it's more than zero. But it's lost on you (& Chas) that millions were wasted in yet another fruitless attempt to pacify our man-baby in chief because he lost the popular vote by millions even with a criminal conspiracy using stolen information, and yet another temper tantrum arose because he couldn't strong arm the states to further violate the civil liberties of millions. Also, If you're so worried that Carter Page having lunch with a Russian may have had an effect on the "integrity of our elections", shouldn't you be equally concerned that electoral votes are apportioned based on counting people that are non-citizens and should not be counted? You mean the guy who popped up on Hannity last night whining and finding a safe haven in his bosom, despite the fairly settled fact that he's portrayed himself as having inside Russian connections he's actively been trading on for years. The guy, just like delicate Jared wants little more than a secure, private line of communication with his Russian handlers and then wonders why he can't get security clearance, or other open ears to his whining pleas of innocence. I don't trust the FBI, but I trust that bunch and now their enablers far, far less. |
Author: | storkinastorm [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Baby McNown wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Regular Reader wrote: In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. But lets not let that that deter those desperate to get oddly hyperbolic on a non issue in the cities. But I wonder why are you so dead set to deny our Hispanic brethren their right to vote, especially when your idiot president and his multi million dollar questionable ![]() ![]() And as for who would be in favor of it, I don't think it would be a problem for most here here(excepting Mt. Greenwood and Jefferson Park), certainly not like in DuPage, McHenry or Will counties. ![]() Translation: "when you shoot down my talking point to where I have nothing to copy and paste I will just dismiss you" What? It's barely even coherent. Something something Trump something something hypocrites something something Trumpets! Something something Russia! Derp! |
Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
storkinastorm wrote: Baby McNown wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Regular Reader wrote: In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. But lets not let that that deter those desperate to get oddly hyperbolic on a non issue in the cities. But I wonder why are you so dead set to deny our Hispanic brethren their right to vote, especially when your idiot president and his multi million dollar questionable ![]() ![]() And as for who would be in favor of it, I don't think it would be a problem for most here here(excepting Mt. Greenwood and Jefferson Park), certainly not like in DuPage, McHenry or Will counties. ![]() Translation: "when you shoot down my talking point to where I have nothing to copy and paste I will just dismiss you" What? It's barely even coherent. Something something Trump something something hypocrites something something Trumpets! Something something Russia! Derp! Shemp is alive ![]() |
Author: | JORR [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Regular Reader wrote: [color=#FF0000]Local Boards of elections certainly can set their own reasonable standards to determine the eligibility standards for voting so the card is also beside the point from where I sit. [color=#FF0000] I don't know the answer to this, but can a local election board legally allow non-citizens to vote in federal elections? I know that they can- and some do- allow illegals to vote in local elections. |
Author: | tommy [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Regular Reader wrote: In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's beside the point. Do you think non-citizens should be allowed to vote? Do you think our elected officials should be encouraging them to do so? Wait--are they explicitly encouraging them? |
Author: | tommy [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Regular Reader wrote: [color=#FF0000]Local Boards of elections certainly can set their own reasonable standards to determine the eligibility standards for voting so the card is also beside the point from where I sit. [color=#FF0000] I don't know the answer to this, but can a local election board legally allow non-citizens to vote in federal elections? I know that they can- and some do- allow illegals to vote in local elections. that's nuts |
Author: | JORR [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
tommy wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Regular Reader wrote: In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's beside the point. Do you think non-citizens should be allowed to vote? Do you think our elected officials should be encouraging them to do so? Wait--are they explicitly encouraging them? I'd say that creating an ID targeted at non-citizens and accepting it as a voting ID is pretty encouraging. |
Author: | pittmike [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
I was under the impression that it would be next to impossible for poor people of various colors to get a state id or driver's license. It was a point reinforced even more strongly with every attempt by someone to say how free, easy and otherwise pain free it could be made. So now all is ok because the city wants to issue their own ids? ![]() |
Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
pittmike wrote: I was under the impression that it would be next to impossible for poor people of various colors to get a state id or driver's license. It was a point reinforced even more strongly with every attempt by someone to say how free, easy and otherwise pain free it could be made. So now all is ok because the city wants to issue their own ids? ![]() I gotta admit, this is all very confusing. |
Author: | chaspoppcap [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
pittmike wrote: I was under the impression that it would be next to impossible for poor people of various colors to get a state id or driver's license. It was a point reinforced even more strongly with every attempt by someone to say how free, easy and otherwise pain free it could be made. So now all is ok because the city wants to issue their own ids? ![]() They expanded what they will take for paperwork for proof of Id and residency but still charge the $10 for it. Way to go Rahm ,lol. The peoples Champ!!!! |
Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Regular Reader wrote: [color=#FF0000]Local Boards of elections certainly can set their own reasonable standards to determine the eligibility standards for voting so the card is also beside the point from where I sit. [color=#FF0000] I don't know the answer to this, but can a local election board legally allow non-citizens to vote in federal elections? I know that they can- and some do- allow illegals to vote in local elections. Voters are supposed to be lawful, full residents of the jurisdictions of the jurisdiction in which they vote. How that is verified, I can't tell you, I haven't personally otherwise looked into it in over twenty years when I last changed my registration. But, if you personally know of illegal immigrants voting, I find it peculiar that MANY don't have similar knowledge and haven't acted on it. There's a lot of Koch money and FoxNews stardom just awaiting that (likely ![]() |
Author: | chaspoppcap [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Regular Reader wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Regular Reader wrote: [color=#FF0000]Local Boards of elections certainly can set their own reasonable standards to determine the eligibility standards for voting so the card is also beside the point from where I sit. [color=#FF0000] I don't know the answer to this, but can a local election board legally allow non-citizens to vote in federal elections? I know that they can- and some do- allow illegals to vote in local elections. Voters are supposed to be lawful, full residents of the jurisdictions of the jurisdiction in which they vote. How that is verified, I can't tell you, I haven't personally otherwise looked into it in over twenty years when I last changed my registration. But, if you personally know of illegal immigrants voting, I find it peculiar that MANY don't have similar knowledge and haven't acted on it. There's a lot of Koch money and FoxNews stardom just awaiting that (likely ![]() 3rd time I will have posted this https://www.dmv.org/voter-registration/voter-id-law.php As you can see unless the CityState of Chicago makes sure the new ID looks nothing like a legal Id for use to register to vote it is going to cause problems. They are even saying it can be used to register to vote. So how are you going to be able to tell if someone who holds on is legal or not? |
Author: | ZephMarshack [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
Non-citizens are still not permitted from voting in county, state, and federal elections in cities that have granted these rights. Separate lists are maintained for those elections. |
Author: | chaspoppcap [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
ZephMarshack wrote: Non-citizens are still not permitted from voting in county, state, and federal elections in cities that have granted these rights. Separate lists are maintained for those elections. For fucks sake how can your verify? They let people register and vote on election day? |
Author: | Baby McNown [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
storkinastorm wrote: Baby McNown wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Regular Reader wrote: In the last election iirc, the majority of proven election fraud was by Trump voters not of color, or urban residents. But lets not let that that deter those desperate to get oddly hyperbolic on a non issue in the cities. But I wonder why are you so dead set to deny our Hispanic brethren their right to vote, especially when your idiot president and his multi million dollar questionable ![]() ![]() And as for who would be in favor of it, I don't think it would be a problem for most here here(excepting Mt. Greenwood and Jefferson Park), certainly not like in DuPage, McHenry or Will counties. ![]() Translation: "when you shoot down my talking point to where I have nothing to copy and paste I will just dismiss you" What? It's barely even coherent. Something something Trump something something hypocrites something something Trumpets! Something something Russia! Derp! Yup that's about what I expected out of your dumb ass. |
Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
ZephMarshack wrote: Non-citizens are still not permitted from voting in county, state, and federal elections in cities that have granted these rights. Separate lists are maintained for those elections. I find it telling that the same people raising the biggest stink about this nationwide are the same ones who argue(d) most vociferously against the motor voter programs. |
Author: | Baby McNown [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New ID to help non-citizens vote |
pittmike wrote: I was under the impression that it would be next to impossible for poor people of various colors to get a state id or driver's license. It was a point reinforced even more strongly with every attempt by someone to say how free, easy and otherwise pain free it could be made. So now all is ok because the city wants to issue their own ids? ![]() I'm glad to see you have come around to supposing a free national ID. |
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