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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:56 am 
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Fire All Striking Teachers And Send Their Paychecks To Students’ Parents

http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/11/fir ... s-parents/

They are typically useless. Replace them with RUSSIAN BOTS!!!

"As the Cato Institute’s Neal McCluskey has shown, U.S. public K-12 spending has skyrocketed over the past 50 years with no improvement in academic outcomes. Other researchers repeatedly find increasing spending doesn’t help students. That’s because, as noted above, schools typically don’t send more money to classrooms, they use it to increase bureaucracy and nonacademic programming."

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My wife works as a special ed admin. The amount of money spent in that field is fucking ridiculous. But every child deserves an education, and there seems to be a lot of legal issues on that side of education which makes things more expensive with crazy parents.


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My wife works as a special ed admin. The amount of money spent in that field is fucking ridiculous. But every child deserves an education, and there seems to be a lot of legal issues on that side of education which makes things more expensive with crazy parents.


100% agreed.

And has people looked at what those teachers in Oklahoma and Arizona get paid? Why would anyone want to be a teacher in those states?

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Why would anyone want to be a teacher in those states?



To fuck underage boys apparently

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DAC wrote:
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My wife works as a special ed admin. The amount of money spent in that field is fucking ridiculous. But every child deserves an education, and there seems to be a lot of legal issues on that side of education which makes things more expensive with crazy parents.


100% agreed.

And has people looked at what those teachers in Oklahoma and Arizona get paid? Why would anyone want to be a teacher in those states?



Same thing with Indiana.


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I wouldn't say missed....








KIDDING!

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My wife works as a special ed admin. The amount of money spent in that field is fucking ridiculous. But every child deserves an education, and there seems to be a lot of legal issues on that side of education which makes things more expensive with crazy parents.


i work with a for profit company that does special needs care for districts who have the students but don't have the facilities or programs in place to take care of it. The money involved per student is ridiculous.


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Special teaching aside--whatever the 'normal' teachers get, it's more than they deserve given the end product--dummies.
The Big Ed bureaucrats take all the big dough.
OK.OK. Kill all BigEd bureaucrats--please.

(but still give rebates to all parents of striking teachers taken from 'saved' teacher salaries not paid)

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My wife works as a special ed admin. The amount of money spent in that field is fucking ridiculous. But every child deserves an education, and there seems to be a lot of legal issues on that side of education which makes things more expensive with crazy parents.


i work with a for profit company that does special needs care for districts who have the students but don't have the facilities or programs in place to take care of it. The money involved per student is ridiculous.



Simplified as Private Placement. My wife tells me what her district pays per child per day. Something like $450/$475 per day per kid. Fucking nuts.


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I get the costs as well as the goals in special education. My nephew is severely disabled and will never lead anything resembling an independent life. I find it strange in a case like his the care is tied to school. I assume it is to provide a feeling/environment of normalcy. It probably should come from some other state budget not tied to regular education almost like occupational therapy.

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One thing I have never understood about US education is that our per student spending for K-12 is well within the top 5 (and often inside the top 3) globally, yet our results suck when compared with the OECD. Heck, we often fall behind some non-OECD nations when measuring test results. Clearly the problem isn't a lack of funding as the money is there, it's just being poorly utilized. This is pretty much why I will never vote for an education millage. The money is clearly there, it's just not being appropriated as it should.

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One thing I have never understood about US education is that our per student spending for K-12 is well within the top 5 (and often inside the top 3) globally, yet our results suck when compared with the OECD. Heck, we often fall behind some non-OECD nations when measuring test results. Clearly the problem isn't a lack of funding as the money is there, it's just being poorly utilized. This is pretty much why I will never vote for an education millage. The money is clearly there, it's just not being appropriated as it should.


i don't know how budgeting works anywhere else but in schools its pretty messed up. we sell it equipment and i've been 1/3 the cost of another product but the school couldnt' buy it because it would of come out of the new expenditures budget which was suspended but the maintenance on the other product came out of the renewals budget. absurd.

my wife taught music for a few years. she had to spend 10,000 a year on useless crap to keep her music budget. if she didn't they'd take it away and then when she needed it, it would be gone. she had closets of nice casio keyboards that were never used. if she had chosen, she'd of just let it go but the principal and superintendent made her spend it basically. so she would buy supplies for other teachers.

also, i imagine that other countries are aborting special needs kids at a much faster clip than we are here. if not, i beleive many other countries we are competing against are probably def not putting the kind of money into special education as we are .


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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
One thing I have never understood about US education is that our per student spending for K-12 is well within the top 5 (and often inside the top 3) globally, yet our results suck when compared with the OECD. Heck, we often fall behind some non-OECD nations when measuring test results. Clearly the problem isn't a lack of funding as the money is there, it's just being poorly utilized. This is pretty much why I will never vote for an education millage. The money is clearly there, it's just not being appropriated as it should.
We spend a lot of money on everything. It kind of comes with being a superpower for so many decades.

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One thing I have never understood about US education is that our per student spending for K-12 is well within the top 5 (and often inside the top 3) globally, yet our results suck when compared with the OECD. Heck, we often fall behind some non-OECD nations when measuring test results. Clearly the problem isn't a lack of funding as the money is there, it's just being poorly utilized. This is pretty much why I will never vote for an education millage. The money is clearly there, it's just not being appropriated as it should.
We spend a lot of money on everything. It kind of comes with being a superpower for so many decades.

This is a per pupil measurement, not an overall budget measurement so the size of the country involved should not matter when looking at this data. If you really want, I can pull the OECD data, but we've probably all seen it at this time. The US currently spends more per student than every country except for Belgium, Luxembourg, and Norway. When we look at test scores, the US is near the bottom of the OECD nations and is beaten regularly by non-OECD nations such as Vietnam. The fact remains that the US education system is a bloated and inefficient bureaucracy that is not working in the best interest of students or taxpayers.

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I always love the education reform arguments that emphasize firing bad teachers, removing job security across the board, cutting pay, and then expecting thousands of better candidates to fill those vacancies for apparently no economic reason whatsoever. Nothing will get our best and brightest to seek out jobs in education like making those jobs crappier across the board!


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Don't appreciate the thread title.

My son and his wife are teachers. They usually spend their own money to provide for extra supplies for their kids. A lot of teachers earn their money but I'm sure there are deadbeats just like any other profession.

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I always love the education reform arguments that emphasize firing bad teachers, removing job security across the board, cutting pay, and then expecting thousands of better candidates to fill those vacancies for apparently no economic reason whatsoever. Nothing will get our best and brightest to seek out jobs in education like making those jobs crappier across the board!

Public sector unions do serve the purpose of protecting bad employees. Look no further than our police departments. When a cop shoots an unarmed 12 year old kid at a park with a BB gun, the public sector unions will be out in full force to protect him. Fuck them.

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my wife taught music for a few years. she had to spend 10,000 a year on useless crap to keep her music budget. if she didn't they'd take it away and then when she needed it, it would be gone. she had closets of nice casio keyboards that were never used.

That's interesting. I was pretty in the loop on my high school's music department and I can tell you my director was never compelled to waste money on synthesizers because he never had that kind of money to waste. The school board must have felt music was for dumb gay burritos who were gay.

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also, i imagine that other countries are aborting special needs kids at a much faster clip than we are here. if not, i beleive many other countries we are competing against are probably def not putting the kind of money into special education as we are .

Let's just kill stupid kids.

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my wife taught music for a few years. she had to spend 10,000 a year on useless crap to keep her music budget. if she didn't they'd take it away and then when she needed it, it would be gone. she had closets of nice casio keyboards that were never used.

That's interesting. I was pretty in the loop on my high school's music department and I can tell you my director was never compelled to waste money on synthesizers because he never had that kind of money to waste. The school board must have felt music was for dumb gay burritos who were gay.


very WHITE and RICH district. my wife thought it would be great because she was getting away from problem kids (the school she taught at before was also very white but it was hillbilly rednecks) but it turned out the parents and admin were much worse.


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He's a tenured professor.

He doesn't count.

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Theirs a lot of hot teachers that should NOT be killed. I agree wtih I agree wth everything else though 10000% percent many people dont have the balls to say this so its a tip of the cap to op


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Teachers get way too much benefit of the doubt. Kinda like cops.

Both noble professions, both likely made up of a large majority of good people, but some act like they are beyond reproach.


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also, i imagine that other countries are aborting special needs kids at a much faster clip than we are here. if not, i beleive many other countries we are competing against are probably def not putting the kind of money into special education as we are .

Let's just kill stupid kids.

Now we're gettin' somewhere.

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I'd rather deal with Elmhurst Steve and his racist steak dinner boom trolling than Jimmy Reardon.


how is this bastard still alive? or not in jail for child trafficking?


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