But is she quietly resentful? And I'm certainly not criticizing this arrangement. Perhaps the woman has more income earning ability and it makes sense for their family. If everybody's fine with the situation, that's great. But a woman taking care of the children isn't some patriarchal construction created by man. It occurs throughout all species of mammals. It's just that man is the only mammal capable of outsmarting himself.

Ten more pages!

Since we supposedly can't do without reposts of Julie DiCaro tweets for 24 hours, let's move it here!



JORR is becoming a "back in my day, the men were men!" guy in front of our own eyes!

You can make all the laws you want. You can't change nature.

was there a question in all this?

Chus and I do a majority of the childcare. How do we handle it?

Chus and I do a majority of the childcare. How do we handle it?

Chus and I do a majority of the childcare. How do we handle it?

I didn't say you couldn't. And the companies that don't have you or Chus in their C-suites aren't fucking you guys. You made the choice. And I don't see anyone putting on a pussy hat and demanding you guys get paid more.

Chus and I do a majority of the childcare. How do we handle it?

You seem to handle it by getting your human argument interactions on here.

I don't understand your point then about "nature".

Of course I'm not going to run a company with this situation unless I start it myself. What does that have to do with anything?

Why should my wife have it held against her that she had a kid?

Because in a broader sense, having a kid is just one way people differentiate themselves with respect to their priorities. Some people's idea of a fun weekend is taking apart circuit boards and building fiber networks, while some prefer to play sports in their spare time. When it comes to hiring one of them for an IT position, who is going to have the edge? It doesn't mean the sports person doesn't have the potential to be just as good. But his priorities are different.

I don't understand your point then about "nature".

Of course I'm not going to run a company with this situation unless I start it myself. What does that have to do with anything?

Why should my wife have it held against her that she had a kid?

Do you think men are more violent than women? Is saying so sexist?

Why don't fathers get the same stigma then?

The whole concept here is that we are talking about a woman who does the required hours to be full time too.

And, as someone who works in IT, you would rather not have someone who does IT work as a hobby at home. Trust me.

You do have the stigma. You just admitted that doing what you want, the only way you could run shit would be to start your own firm. That isn't anyone holding you back. It's you making a choice. And it's a choice that is made by far more women than men. You can argue that that's a societal construct rather than nature if you want. I'll disagree.

I don't understand your point then about "nature".

Of course I'm not going to run a company with this situation unless I start it myself. What does that have to do with anything?

Why should my wife have it held against her that she had a kid?

Because in a broader sense, having a kid is just one way people differentiate themselves with respect to their priorities. Some people's idea of a fun weekend is taking apart circuit boards and building fiber networks, while some prefer to play sports in their spare time. When it comes to hiring one of them for an IT position, who is going to have the edge? It doesn't mean the sports person doesn't have the potential to be just as good. But his priorities are different.

Right. But to assume men fall into the "productive" category is sexist.

It's all worth it when Rick comes out in that little sun dress on a Friday night.

I think we are more focused on people forced into a situation rather than what comes naturally. There are plenty of men that are naturally nurturing. Alternatively, there are plenty of women who only use the child as a prop for Facebook pictures before they go out to day drink prosecco.

I doubt she is. If a professional female has a baby and takes 8 weeks off then hands things over to dad or nanny I doubt there is any retribution in any way. It is illegal.

Where pay gaps may come in are the "differences" that get discussed or "other factors".

In just one example, take two people one male and one female. They are hired as a team and work in the same company doing the same tasks. They have identical educations up to and including MBAs. After working like this at a high level for the company (which involves a very quickly evolving technological field) for 8 years the female becomes pregnant by plan and has a child. She takes the 8 weeks off then chooses though to take another 2 years off to tend to her child and bond etc...

The person who takes on more of the child care responsibilities will lose some of the edge in the professional realm.


It may be a man or a woman.

Regardless of what you think should happen or happened in the past, that is all we are dealing with.

The assumption that woman will be the one taking on more childcare responsibility is a problem.

I think we all agree that's an assumption that should not be made.

I think we all agree that's an assumption that should not be made.

I think we all agree that's an assumption that should not be made.