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Author:  IMU [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Puerto Ricans (excluding government workers) do not pay a federal income tax. While they are a U.S. commonwealth and there are some benefits to that, they are not an equal state and they are not intended to be a United States charity case. When you talk to Puerto Ricans, they do not want to pay federal income tax. They don’t like paying any other federal taxes, and they don’t like paying their (newly increased) sales taxes. When you don’t pay taxes, you don’t get the benefit of that revenue paying for your infrastructure and other improvements.

Now we have this new island-wide power blackout, and same as last year's hurricane fall out, there is a huge outcry that the U.S. government isn't holding up their end of the bargain.

Are Puerto Ricans trying to get too much out of the federal government? Where do they think all this money comes from?

EDIT: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/18/us/puert ... index.html

Author:  Furious Styles [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Don't worry, Luis Gutierrez has got this.

Author:  chaspoppcap [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

If they don't pay taxes then we should do the humane thing and cut them lose and let them have self rule. if not make them a state and all the trappings that go with it.

Author:  chaspoppcap [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Furious Styles wrote:
Don't worry, Luis Gutierrez has got this.


Fuck him

Author:  Regular Reader [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Yes, if only to compensate for their(lack of) voting records in the houses of Congress. Or their ability to stop the land and water around there from being used as a long term bombing range and weapons testing area.

Or now, by having federal tariffs placed on goods and services "imported" from the island.

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Didn’t PR vote for statehood last year? And Congress denied?

Make them a state already!

I’m sick and tired of this 50 Star flag. I hope in my lifetime we can get to 54 states so we can have the canton uniformed again like the good ole 48 Star flag.

Biggest mistake by Esienhower was signing EO 10834. The current 50 Star flag should be 5 rows of 10 stars nicely uniformed on the canton. Not this checkerboard bullshit.

Author:  Bagels [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:59 pm ]
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Quote:
Archie: All we're saying is Puerto Ricans ought to stay in Puerto Rico. We don't go to their country to live. Why should they come to ours?
Mike: Puerto Rico is part of this country.
Archie: No, no, no. It ain't a state.
Gloria: They have commonwealth status.
Archie: I bet they probably ain't vaccinated for that.

Author:  IMU [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:00 pm ]
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HawaiiYou wrote:
Didn’t PR vote for statehood last year? And Congress denied?

Sort of. And no.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... -explained

Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

chaspoppcap wrote:
If they don't pay taxes then we should do the humane thing and cut them lose and let them have self rule.

Loose.

I always see lose spelled as loose, but I've never seen it the other way around.

Author:  Tall Midget [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

HawaiiYou wrote:
Didn’t PR vote for statehood last year? And Congress denied?

Make them a state already!

I’m sick and tired of this 50 Star flag. I hope in my lifetime we can get to 54 states so we can have the canton uniformed again like the good ole 48 Star flag.

Biggest mistake by Esienhower was signing EO 10834. The current 50 Star flag should be 5 rows of 10 stars nicely uniformed on the canton. Not this checkerboard bullshit.

Image

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:05 pm ]
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Author:  Hatchetman [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Should be a state or nothing. We shouldn't have different classifications of citizenry.

Author:  IMU [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Hatchetman wrote:
Should be a state or nothing. We shouldn't have different classifications of citizenry.

Elmhurst Steve wrote:
I vehemently disagree.

Author:  Furious Styles [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

chaspoppcap wrote:
Furious Styles wrote:
Don't worry, Luis Gutierrez has got this.


Fuck him

See, I don't find him that attractive.

Ricky Martin, maybe.

Author:  Baby McNown [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:14 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
Should be a state or nothing. We shouldn't have different classifications of citizenry.

Yeah but that would give 2 more Senate votes to brown people and we can't have that.

Author:  pittmike [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:15 pm ]
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They should get full bennys just like illegal Mexicans.

Author:  America [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

They are a colony, and if you're a person who believes colonialism by the European powers is a crime then you should be in favor of cutting PR free to self determination.

Author:  Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Kind of an interesting history into how PR got so screwed up economically. Not surprisingly the U.S. government played a huge role in their downfall.
http://www.businessinsider.com/puerto-rico-debt-2017-10

Author:  America [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:17 pm ]
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Kind of an interesting history into how PR got so screwed up economically. Not surprisingly the U.S. government played a huge role in their downfall.
http://www.businessinsider.com/puerto-rico-debt-2017-10

If they voted for independence the United States would oblige happily and readily. They are not captive in this union, if they dont like they are absolutely free to leave.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

We more or less sabotage Puerto Rico's economy with the bullshit protectionist Jones Act. Government interference in free markets is bad, m'kay

Author:  America [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Much like the aviation industry Ogie knows next to nothing about, he has similarly steadfast under-informed opinions on the maritimes. If Puerto Rico doesn't like the Jones Act they are free to have it not affect them at all by becoming their own country.

Author:  Brick [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:47 pm ]
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America wrote:
They are not captive in this union, if they dont like they are absolutely free to leave.
That's your answer for everything.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:50 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
When you talk to Puerto Ricans, they do not want to pay federal income tax. They don’t like paying any other federal taxes, and they don’t like paying their (newly increased) sales taxes.


Would never have guessed they were that level of pro-Republican.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Don Tiny wrote:
IMU wrote:
When you talk to Puerto Ricans, they do not want to pay federal income tax. They don’t like paying any other federal taxes, and they don’t like paying their (newly increased) sales taxes.


Would never have guessed they were that level of pro-Republican.

Remove the racism that hit the party post 2008 and they probably would have drifted that way.

Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
IMU wrote:
When you talk to Puerto Ricans, they do not want to pay federal income tax. They don’t like paying any other federal taxes, and they don’t like paying their (newly increased) sales taxes.


Would never have guessed they were that level of pro-Republican.

Remove the racism that hit the party post 2008 and they probably would have drifted that way.

Change that to around 1968 and you would be spot on.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Douchebag wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
IMU wrote:
When you talk to Puerto Ricans, they do not want to pay federal income tax. They don’t like paying any other federal taxes, and they don’t like paying their (newly increased) sales taxes.


Would never have guessed they were that level of pro-Republican.

Remove the racism that hit the party post 2008 and they probably would have drifted that way.

Change that to around 1968 and you would be spot on.

During the Bush years, the party was gaining a ton of Hispanic voters. That stopped after the Tea Party hijacked the party.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
IMU wrote:
When you talk to Puerto Ricans, they do not want to pay federal income tax. They don’t like paying any other federal taxes, and they don’t like paying their (newly increased) sales taxes.


Would never have guessed they were that level of pro-Republican.

Remove the racism that hit the party post 2008 and they probably would have drifted that way.

Change that to around 1968 and you would be spot on.

During the Bush years, the party was gaining a ton of Hispanic voters. That stopped after the Tea Party hijacked the party.

So that's why Bush won Florida.

Author:  badrogue17 [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

Don Tiny wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
IMU wrote:
When you talk to Puerto Ricans, they do not want to pay federal income tax. They don’t like paying any other federal taxes, and they don’t like paying their (newly increased) sales taxes.


Would never have guessed they were that level of pro-Republican.

Remove the racism that hit the party post 2008 and they probably would have drifted that way.

Change that to around 1968 and you would be spot on.

During the Bush years, the party was gaining a ton of Hispanic voters. That stopped after the Tea Party hijacked the party.

So that's why Bush won Florida.

Well that and his mom was Eva Braun

Author:  One Post [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:08 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
Should be a state or nothing. We shouldn't have different classifications of citizenry.


There are not two classes of US citizens.

If a dude living in Puerto Rico moves to California, he votes in a California election.

If you move to Puerto Rico, you vote in the Puerto Rican elections.

Author:  One Post [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PR, as is, deserve to get full U.S. benefits?

IMU wrote:
Puerto Ricans (excluding government workers) do not pay a federal income tax. While they are a U.S. commonwealth and there are some benefits to that, they are not an equal state and they are not intended to be a United States charity case. When you talk to Puerto Ricans, they do not want to pay federal income tax. They don’t like paying any other federal taxes, and they don’t like paying their (newly increased) sales taxes. When you don’t pay taxes, you don’t get the benefit of that revenue paying for your infrastructure and other improvements.

Now we have this new island-wide power blackout, and same as last year's hurricane fall out, there is a huge outcry that the U.S. government isn't holding up their end of the bargain.

Are Puerto Ricans trying to get too much out of the federal government? Where do they think all this money comes from?

EDIT: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/18/us/puert ... index.html


If you like the Puerto Rican tax system so much, move there, you won't pay federal income tax either.

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