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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz It doesnt say in the article, but I'm guessing this is a civil suit? Or are all defamation suits civil? |
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| Author: | Peter Puck [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
IkeSouth wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/porn-star-stormy-daniels-sues-president-trump-for-defamation/ar-AAwyCuJ?li=BBnb7Kz It doesnt say in the article, but I'm guessing this is a civil suit? Or are all defamation suits civil? yes it is a civil suit. Her attorney has some big cojones. But he has been pretty spot on with his moves so far. |
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| Author: | ToxicMasculinity [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
(((Who))) is paying all of her legal fees? |
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| Author: | MajorKong [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJmoNlBjEE |
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| Author: | Nas [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Peter Puck wrote: IkeSouth wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/porn-star-stormy-daniels-sues-president-trump-for-defamation/ar-AAwyCuJ?li=BBnb7Kz It doesnt say in the article, but I'm guessing this is a civil suit? Or are all defamation suits civil? yes it is a civil suit. Her attorney has some big cojones. But he has been pretty spot on with his moves so far. He's made himself a multimillionaire if he wasn't already. |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? |
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| Author: | Cheap Charlie [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
"love your suit"-Duck of Death #Maddock |
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| Author: | Nas [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? I don't think she's trying to win. I believe "victory" is getting a deposition from the president or possibly embarrassing him. |
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| Author: | Baby McNown [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? Nope. Because your hero can either write her a big fat check or it will be "Mr President do you swear to tell the truth the whole....." |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Saw a big billboard for her appearance at a local club some time this summer on my way back from the mecca |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Looks like everyone's favorite cowboy judge got the same idea. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nyt ... t.amp.html |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Baby McNown wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? Nope. Because your hero can either write her a big fat check or it will be "Mr President do you swear to tell the truth the whole....." No I'm pretty sure that's "yep". |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Baby McNown wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? Nope. Because your hero can either write her a big fat check or it will be "Mr President do you swear to tell the truth the whole....." No I'm pretty sure that's "yep". I'm not sure, but the two of you should definitely drag this on for a half dozen more pages. |
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| Author: | Peter Puck [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? Damages, theoretically no, because the allegation is styled as per se defamation. The complaint alleges Trump's statement that she was lying about the guy harassing her was, in effect, a false statement accusing her of committing a statutory crime (some statute that makes it a crime to make a false statement claiming that a crime occurred - or something along those lines). (This seems pretty weak.) As she is a public figure, she will need to prove actual malice - that he made a statement about her with reckless disregard for whether it was false or true. That actually may not be too tough to convince a jury of here. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
SpiralStairs wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Baby McNown wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? Nope. Because your hero can either write her a big fat check or it will be "Mr President do you swear to tell the truth the whole....." No I'm pretty sure that's "yep". I'm not sure, but the two of you should definitely drag this on for a half dozen more pages. 
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Peter Puck wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? Damages, theoretically no, because the allegation is styled as per se defamation. The complaint alleges Trump's statement that she was lying about the guy harassing her was, in effect, a false statement accusing her of committing a statutory crime (some statute that makes it a crime to make a false statement claiming that a crime occurred - or something along those lines). (This seems pretty weak.) As she is a public figure, she will need to prove actual malice - that he made a statement about her with reckless disregard for whether it was false or true. That actually may not be too tough to convince a jury of here. The notion of that orange anusface being deposed by a porn star's lawyer is fitting. And likely horrifying to his lawyers and the RNC. |
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| Author: | Peter Puck [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Regular Reader wrote: Peter Puck wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? Damages, theoretically no, because the allegation is styled as per se defamation. The complaint alleges Trump's statement that she was lying about the guy harassing her was, in effect, a false statement accusing her of committing a statutory crime (some statute that makes it a crime to make a false statement claiming that a crime occurred - or something along those lines). (This seems pretty weak.) As she is a public figure, she will need to prove actual malice - that he made a statement about her with reckless disregard for whether it was false or true. That actually may not be too tough to convince a jury of here. The notion of that orange anusface being deposed by a porn star's lawyer is fitting. And likely horrifying to his lawyers and the RNC. I read or heard somewhere that this attorney represented the fans who got screwed over at the Super Bowl held in Dallas and that he completely destroyed Jerry Jones on cross examination. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
good dolphin wrote: Saw a big billboard for her appearance at a local club some time this summer on my way back from the mecca http://www.admiralx.com/mobile/events.htm |
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| Author: | newper [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? You absolutely have to prove that the statement caused damage -- it had to hurt her reputation for it to count as defamation. She is suing for 75k, but I think she's going to have a tough road ahead to tie that to his "total con job" statement. For the moment, let us assume that Trump's statement is false (a requirement for defamation) -- how did this cost her 75k? Was she booked to various jobs that then refused to deal with her after that statement came out? I suppose it is possible, but seems unlikely. The burden of causality is upon her team... that's a tough one for me to believe, at least with the facts that are out today. Because she is a public figure, you are also correct that malice has to be proven as well. This very much looks like someone who wants a news cycle but knows they can't win a case. |
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| Author: | beni hanna [ Tue May 01, 2018 6:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
newper wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? You absolutely have to prove that the statement caused damage -- it had to hurt her reputation for it to count as defamation. She is suing for 75k, but I think she's going to have a tough road ahead to tie that to his "total con job" statement. For the moment, let us assume that Trump's statement is false (a requirement for defamation) -- how did this cost her 75k? Was she booked to various jobs that then refused to deal with her after that statement came out? I suppose it is possible, but seems unlikely. The burden of causality is upon her team... that's a tough one for me to believe, at least with the facts that are out today. Because she is a public figure, you are also correct that malice has to be proven as well. This very much looks like someone who wants a news cycle but knows they can't win a case. It's official. Lawer quotient and those who choose to speak lawer has trumped all employable fields on the bored. One exception if we include the farmer community and include folks like me capable of not killing a tomato plant. And I would say stormy is going to absolutely call him put on everything he says and tweets. It may be effective for her in forcing Trump to pay more, or allow her to freely talk about the tryst. There is just enough validity to this not to dismiss it out of hand. It won't go anywhere but the strategy may be very effective over time. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue May 01, 2018 6:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
People hate Trump so much that many are happy that the President is being extorted by a person who literally has sex for money. What a time to be alive! |
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| Author: | Cheap Charlie [ Tue May 01, 2018 7:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: P̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ Leftists hate Trump so much that many are happy that the President is being extorted by a person who literally has sex for money. What a time to be alive! At least Trump likes his country, unlike the last guy. Iran deal unraveling just adds to the evidence of USA Hate by Last Guy. Red Wave is forming. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Tue May 01, 2018 7:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: People hate Trump so much that many are happy that the President is being extorted by a person who literally has sex for money. What a time to be alive! i dont hate him. or like him. but i think its wonderful he is being treated the same way he treats others. i was just about fired yesterday for telling my boss the same type of shit |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Tue May 01, 2018 7:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
How does one defame a porn star....guys spooge all over her face 
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue May 01, 2018 7:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: How does one defame a porn star....guys spooge all over her face Maybe that's just it. The word got out that she banged for him for free, and broken tv appearance promises. The shame of no compensation is the truly embarrassing concept in her world. I mean these ARE twisted times. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Tue May 01, 2018 7:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: How does one defame a porn star....guys spooge all over her face It's not personal, Walt. It's strictly business. |
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| Author: | Peter Puck [ Tue May 01, 2018 8:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
newper wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? You absolutely have to prove that the statement caused damage -- it had to hurt her reputation for it to count as defamation. She is suing for 75k, but I think she's going to have a tough road ahead to tie that to his "total con job" statement. For the moment, let us assume that Trump's statement is false (a requirement for defamation) -- how did this cost her 75k? Was she booked to various jobs that then refused to deal with her after that statement came out? I suppose it is possible, but seems unlikely. The burden of causality is upon her team... that's a tough one for me to believe, at least with the facts that are out today. Because she is a public figure, you are also correct that malice has to be proven as well. This very much looks like someone who wants a news cycle but knows they can't win a case. This is false. If the statement is per se defamatory, damages are presumed under the law. Examples would include statements that she was involved in a crime (which is what she alleges he said), that she had an STD or committed some type of misconduct in a job. |
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| Author: | Baby McNown [ Tue May 01, 2018 10:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Baby McNown wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: She'd have to prove malice and damages, no? Nope. Because your hero can either write her a big fat check or it will be "Mr President do you swear to tell the truth the whole....." No I'm pretty sure that's "yep". What Juicy is doing is is teaching us the law school lesson when the plaintiff has to hand the defendant their entire case long before discovery starts. Even Julie DiCaro wouldn't let Trump be put under oath you dumb ass |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue May 01, 2018 11:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
As a guy who probably should have had unprotected sex fewer times I have to question the judgment of a man who has unprotected sex with a sex worker. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue May 01, 2018 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormy Daniels suing Mr Butternut for defamation |
Probably? |
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