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Author:  RFDC [ Wed May 30, 2018 5:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Recently had a leak in one of our bedrooms. I put some roof tar on the area that I thought was causing the problem but yet the leak persisted. I contacted a roofing company to come look at it. The guy did some work to it to hopefully fix it. He told/showed me several places on the roof that were damaged from hail and/or wind. He suggested I contact my insurance to have an adjuster come look at it as they may agree to put a new roof on.

Any advice from the wise brethren from around here for dealing with this? Is the roofing guy just wanting the business to put a roof on? Is the insurance guy going to try and do anything possible to keep from paying out for a new roof? I am just always leery of such things and don't want to cause myself any additional problems in the long run.

The roof is 15 years old.

And I also look forward to all the funny responses such as Move :lol:
Author:  Peoria Matt [ Wed May 30, 2018 5:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Lots of roof repairs around here due to weather damage.

I would take the advice of the roofing company and contact your insurance company.
Author:  billypootons [ Wed May 30, 2018 5:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Generally the roofing contractor seek you out after hail storms
Author:  Kirkwood [ Wed May 30, 2018 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
RFDC wrote:
I thought was causing the problem but yet the leak persisted.

RFDC McConnell
Author:  Cashman [ Wed May 30, 2018 5:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
If you sought the roofing guy out, I would contact the insurance. If he knocked on your door, like a storm chaser I would be weary.
Author:  beni hanna [ Wed May 30, 2018 5:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
RFDC wrote:
Recently had a leak in one of our bedrooms. I put some roof tar on the area that I thought was causing the problem but yet the leak persisted.:

After all these years....Roofer Didn't Fix Crap. :D
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Wed May 30, 2018 6:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Go up there and take a look. If you see a ton of missing asphalt pellets and chips out of the shingles then you have a problem. Most of the time these roofing companies are in bed with the insurance companies. They try to come around after every single storm and tell you that you need a new roof.

Generally speaking the tar paper is your weather proof barrier from the outside to the inside. The shingles protect that barrier. Go take a peak in your attic above where the leak was and see if there is any insulation discoloration which will give you an idea of where the water was coming from and how much. Then look up at the roof for the leaking area. It should discolored as well.

It would be pretty weird for a 15 year old roof to have a hold in the middle of it leaking. The leak is most likely coming from a roof vent or the flashing around a chimney. Hell....half the time leaks in ceilings come from a shitty connection in the plumbing vent pipe that is in the attic. My parents a huge discoloration in their ceiling and its from too much humidity in the attic gathering on the insulation (which they did wrong and is a totally different story).
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed May 30, 2018 6:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Go up there and take a look. If you see a ton of missing asphalt pellets and chips out of the shingles then you have a problem. Most of the time these roofing companies are in bed with the insurance companies. They try to come around after every single storm and tell you that you need a new roof.

Generally speaking the tar paper is your weather proof barrier from the outside to the inside. The shingles protect that barrier. Go take a peak in your attic above where the leak was and see if there is any insulation discoloration which will give you an idea of where the water was coming from and how much. Then look up at the roof for the leaking area. It should discolored as well.

It would be pretty weird for a 15 year old roof to have a hold in the middle of it leaking. The leak is most likely coming from a roof vent or the flashing around a chimney. Hell....half the time leaks in ceilings come from a shitty connection in the plumbing vent pipe that is in the attic. My parents a huge discoloration in their ceiling and its from too much humidity in the attic gathering on the insulation (which they did wrong and is a totally different story).


This is all wrong.
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Wed May 30, 2018 6:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
The fuck it is. Where did you do your roofing Mr. Know It All?
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed May 30, 2018 6:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
The fuck it is. Where did you do your roofing Mr. Know It All?


:lol: I was sort of kidding. But I'm familiar with the insurance side. Most of it's wrong (no offense, UMN).
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed May 30, 2018 6:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Isn't a bunch of holes in the roof with visible 2x8's pretty normal in Missouri?
Author:  RFDC [ Wed May 30, 2018 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Isn't a bunch of holes in the roof with visible 2x8's pretty normal in Missouri?

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Author:  Regular Reader [ Wed May 30, 2018 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
leashyourkids wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Go up there and take a look. If you see a ton of missing asphalt pellets and chips out of the shingles then you have a problem. Most of the time these roofing companies are in bed with the insurance companies. They try to come around after every single storm and tell you that you need a new roof.

Generally speaking the tar paper is your weather proof barrier from the outside to the inside. The shingles protect that barrier. Go take a peak in your attic above where the leak was and see if there is any insulation discoloration which will give you an idea of where the water was coming from and how much. Then look up at the roof for the leaking area. It should discolored as well.

It would be pretty weird for a 15 year old roof to have a hold in the middle of it leaking. The leak is most likely coming from a roof vent or the flashing around a chimney. Hell....half the time leaks in ceilings come from a shitty connection in the plumbing vent pipe that is in the attic. My parents a huge discoloration in their ceiling and its from too much humidity in the attic gathering on the insulation (which they did wrong and is a totally different story).


This is all wrong.


No, he's pretty spot on. Most have no desire to go up on a roof, or crawl through a scuttle door into an attic, and get taken advantage of.
Author:  SpiralStairs [ Wed May 30, 2018 8:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
It's a clean roof, not in need of repair. A little leakage here and there is how roofs have been made for generations. No reason to be upset.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed May 30, 2018 8:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Regular Reader wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Go up there and take a look. If you see a ton of missing asphalt pellets and chips out of the shingles then you have a problem. Most of the time these roofing companies are in bed with the insurance companies. They try to come around after every single storm and tell you that you need a new roof.

Generally speaking the tar paper is your weather proof barrier from the outside to the inside. The shingles protect that barrier. Go take a peak in your attic above where the leak was and see if there is any insulation discoloration which will give you an idea of where the water was coming from and how much. Then look up at the roof for the leaking area. It should discolored as well.

It would be pretty weird for a 15 year old roof to have a hold in the middle of it leaking. The leak is most likely coming from a roof vent or the flashing around a chimney. Hell....half the time leaks in ceilings come from a shitty connection in the plumbing vent pipe that is in the attic. My parents a huge discoloration in their ceiling and its from too much humidity in the attic gathering on the insulation (which they did wrong and is a totally different story).


This is all wrong.


No, he's pretty spot on. Most have no desire to go up on a roof, or crawl through a scuttle door into an attic, and get taken advantage of.


No, it's wrong.
Author:  Regular Reader [ Wed May 30, 2018 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
No. Most roof problems are reasonably open and obvious if a careful person takes their time. And knows what to look for.

But in fairness to you, I grew up walking and helping my dad fixing roofs. And had a couple of roofers try to completely bullshit me.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed May 30, 2018 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Regular Reader wrote:
No. Most roof problems are reasonably open and obvious if a careful person takes their time. And knows what to look for.

But in fairness to you, I grew up walking and helping my dad fixing roofs. And had a couple of roofers try to completely bullshit me.


Of course they are. The wrong part is that roofers and insurance companies are in cahoots. It's the opposite. They are cats and dogs. There is an entire industry of "roofers" dedicated to screwing insurance companies. Saying that they are friends is ridiculous.
Author:  Regular Reader [ Wed May 30, 2018 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
leashyourkids wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
No. Most roof problems are reasonably open and obvious if a careful person takes their time. And knows what to look for.

But in fairness to you, I grew up walking and helping my dad fixing roofs. And had a couple of roofers try to completely bullshit me.


Of course they are. The wrong part is that roofers and insurance companies are in cahoots. It's the opposite. They are cats and dogs. There is an entire industry of "roofers" dedicated to screwing insurance companies. Saying that they are friends is ridiculous.


Sorry. I didn't realize that was your over arching point. Because on this we are in complete agreement.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed May 30, 2018 8:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
No worries. I should have been more specific
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Wed May 30, 2018 8:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Regular Reader wrote:
No. Most roof problems are reasonably open and obvious if a careful person takes their time. And knows what to look for.

But in fairness to you, I grew up walking and helping my dad fixing roofs. And had a couple of roofers try to completely bullshit me.


Exactly. I've put on a few roofs and fixed some as well. Ive had to put numerous electrical service risers through a roof and do the flashing and such. Ive also been in a few hundred attics running electrical and i can just sit back with the flashlight and see where and why someones roof is jacked up.

We had a very mild marble at best size hail storm that lasted maybe 30 seconds a few years ago. I watched it from the garage. Then next day the roofers were out hustling the entire street. My roof was 6 months old and the guy told me I probably need a new roof....without even looking at it. A good amount of elderly people had new roofs put on within a month.
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Wed May 30, 2018 9:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
leashyourkids wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
No. Most roof problems are reasonably open and obvious if a careful person takes their time. And knows what to look for.

But in fairness to you, I grew up walking and helping my dad fixing roofs. And had a couple of roofers try to completely bullshit me.


Of course they are. The wrong part is that roofers and insurance companies are in cahoots. It's the opposite. They are cats and dogs. There is an entire industry of "roofers" dedicated to screwing insurance companies. Saying that they are friends is ridiculous.


I was just connecting the dots. These extremely shady roofing companies were pumping out roofs like mad in my neighborhood. They always said to call your insurance agent in their billion flyers the left on the door and in their face to face sales pitch. I figured the insurance companies would ok all these "damaged" roofs and in turn would jack everyone's rates and then this seedy roofing company would watch the money pour in as well.
Author:  RFDC [ Wed May 30, 2018 9:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
I would be extremely leery of anyone who came to my door after a storm.

I called this company due to the leak problem. He did not chase me down to find a job.
Author:  jimmypasta [ Wed May 30, 2018 9:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
RFDC,

Save yourself some money and stick all kinds of old shit up in your attic. A few books,bag of clothes,newspapers,etc. This should stop the leaks.
Author:  RFDC [ Wed May 30, 2018 9:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
jimmypasta wrote:
RFDC,

Save yourself some money and stick all kinds of old shit up in your attic. A few books,bag of clothes,newspapers,etc. This should stop the leaks.

:lol: Nice jimmy.

I would do that, but this part of the attic is not accessible. There is a vaulted ceiling between the attic entrance and where this leak occurred
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Wed May 30, 2018 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
RFDC wrote:
I would be extremely leery of anyone who came to my door after a storm.

I called this company due to the leak problem. He did not chase me down to find a job.

What was leaking? Was there an actual hole in the middle of the roof or was it some a flashing issue?
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed May 30, 2018 9:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
No. Most roof problems are reasonably open and obvious if a careful person takes their time. And knows what to look for.

But in fairness to you, I grew up walking and helping my dad fixing roofs. And had a couple of roofers try to completely bullshit me.


Of course they are. The wrong part is that roofers and insurance companies are in cahoots. It's the opposite. They are cats and dogs. There is an entire industry of "roofers" dedicated to screwing insurance companies. Saying that they are friends is ridiculous.


I was just connecting the dots. These extremely shady roofing companies were pumping out roofs like mad in my neighborhood. They always said to call your insurance agent in their billion flyers the left on the door and in their face to face sales pitch. I figured the insurance companies would ok all these "damaged" roofs and in turn would jack everyone's rates and then this seedy roofing company would watch the money pour in as well.


Nah, it's quite the opposite. A couple of the teams I oversee deal exclusively with these types of claims. The hail chasing "contractors" are a pain in the ass. But, you know, a free roof is a free roof. There's no principle involved.
Author:  RFDC [ Wed May 30, 2018 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I would be extremely leery of anyone who came to my door after a storm.

I called this company due to the leak problem. He did not chase me down to find a job.

What was leaking? Was there an actual hole in the middle of the roof or was it some a flashing issue?

No not in the middle of the roof. It was along an edge where two places meet up. There was a gap there where things has slid out of place.

I tried to find a pic like it, but this is close to it. where the two peaks meet up... Right above the center of that window

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He said the places were done incorrect when first installed and that he was surprised we had not had other leaks before this.. He showed me a lot of missing asphalt and places where nails were coming lose and where edges were lose and would easily come up and flop around.
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Wed May 30, 2018 9:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
That is probably a worthy investment then. Having to worry about what is going to leak next sucks. Unless you go chill out in the attic during storm you wont know even whats leaking at any given time until you see it a week later via stained drywall.
Author:  Nas [ Wed May 30, 2018 9:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
billypootons wrote:
Generally the roofing contractor seek you out after hail storms


Yep. They show up sometimes when the wind blows slightly harder than normal.
Author:  Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed May 30, 2018 10:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with a Roof Repair?
leashyourkids wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
No. Most roof problems are reasonably open and obvious if a careful person takes their time. And knows what to look for.

But in fairness to you, I grew up walking and helping my dad fixing roofs. And had a couple of roofers try to completely bullshit me.


Of course they are. The wrong part is that roofers and insurance companies are in cahoots. It's the opposite. They are cats and dogs. There is an entire industry of "roofers" dedicated to screwing insurance companies. Saying that they are friends is ridiculous.


I was just connecting the dots. These extremely shady roofing companies were pumping out roofs like mad in my neighborhood. They always said to call your insurance agent in their billion flyers the left on the door and in their face to face sales pitch. I figured the insurance companies would ok all these "damaged" roofs and in turn would jack everyone's rates and then this seedy roofing company would watch the money pour in as well.


Nah, it's quite the opposite. A couple of the teams I oversee deal exclusively with these types of claims. The hail chasing "contractors" are a pain in the ass. But, you know, a free roof is a free roof. There's no principle involved.
It’s not really free though is it? Make a claim and your rates go up. No principle applies to both sides.
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