WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Businesses are doing without: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/dini ... rvice.html
Rickey wrote:
Don't worry the haves will be fine and pay a little more.
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Businesses are doing without: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/dini ... rvice.html |
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| Author: | Cashman [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
These are called: Hipster joints. Stay away! |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Won't someone please think of the poor business owner?! |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Won't someone please think of the poor business owner?! Owners are not subject wage and hour laws. They deserve to be in jail, but then we’d have to feed and clothe them. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Businesses are doing without: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/dini ... rvice.html Rickey wrote: Don't worry the haves will be fine and pay a little more.
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
I can't read the article so I can only go off the headline but who cares? There are restaurants everywhere in San Francisco. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: I can't read the article so I can only go off the headline but who cares? There are restaurants everywhere in San Francisco. The Free Market is working! Hipsters get to eat out. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: I can't read the article so I can only go off the headline but who cares? There are restaurants everywhere in San Francisco. Yeah it is after all a Bay Area Market Town! |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: I can't read the article so I can only go off the headline but who cares? There are restaurants everywhere in San Francisco. Informed input. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I can't read the article so I can only go off the headline but who cares? There are restaurants everywhere in San Francisco. Informed input. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Businesses are doing without: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/dini ... rvice.html Servers making $15 in SF would still be only able to afford a tent under an overpass. The root cause is SF's horrible NIMBYism. |
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
A better solution would be to reform the restrictive zoning laws to encourage new development to fill the several million housing unit shortage in California. The only thing that will lower housings costs there is an increase in the supply of housing available. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Kirkwood wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Businesses are doing without: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/dini ... rvice.html Servers making $15 in SF would still be only able to afford a tent under an overpass. Yeah I actually think unless there is some artificial factor the prevailing wage should be higher there anyway. I recall back in the Boston area in the late 80's people got paid a ton to do all sorts of menial things due to the economy and COL. Servers I guess always seem to have the lower wage but my first glance did not show me whether these were previously tip jobs. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Lot of gay out there. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: A better solution would be to reform the restrictive zoning laws to encourage new development to fill the several million housing unit shortage in California. The only thing that will lower housings costs there is an increase in the supply of housing available. You mention this a lot but it really is their town and they should do what they want and live with their decisions. At least, that uis normally how you usually argue. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: A better solution would be to reform the restrictive zoning laws to encourage new development to fill the several million housing unit shortage in California. The only thing that will lower housings costs there is an increase in the supply of housing available. There is a ton of building going on there. Not every place should be Manhattan which is one skyscraper after another. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Kirkwood wrote: The root cause is SF's horrible NIMBYism. I'll defend NIMBYism in San Francisco. If people don't want a unique American city to be full to bursting with the adult dorms of modern condo buildings, I get that. Maybe people who want to work in Santa Clara will have to live in Santa Clara. |
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: A better solution would be to reform the restrictive zoning laws to encourage new development to fill the several million housing unit shortage in California. The only thing that will lower housings costs there is an increase in the supply of housing available. There is a ton of building going on there. Not every place should be Manhattan which is one skyscraper after another. When you have that many people and limited land, then yes you need to build for density. Either that or the tech companies need to relocate to other markets. |
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Kirkwood wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Businesses are doing without: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/dini ... rvice.html Servers making $15 in SF would still be only able to afford a tent under an overpass. The root cause is SF's horrible NIMBYism. Which is in turn where the zoning regs come from so yes you are correct. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: A better solution would be to reform the restrictive zoning laws to encourage new development to fill the several million housing unit shortage in California. The only thing that will lower housings costs there is an increase in the supply of housing available. There is a ton of building going on there. Not every place should be Manhattan which is one skyscraper after another. When you have that many people and limited land, then yes you need to build for density. Either that or the tech companies need to relocate to other markets. The tech companies are 30 to 40 miles down the road, but they sell their employees on being bused back and forth from the valley to the city. Maybe this was stupid. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: A better solution would be to reform the restrictive zoning laws to encourage new development to fill the several million housing unit shortage in California. The only thing that will lower housings costs there is an increase in the supply of housing available. There is a ton of building going on there. Not every place should be Manhattan which is one skyscraper after another. When you have that many people and limited land, then yes you need to build for density. Either that or the tech companies need to relocate to other markets. However, they are still building a ton of new developments. It just seems like you are grandstanding. Let me guess, NYC should sell Central Park to private developers to make condos too? |
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Curious Hair wrote: Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: A better solution would be to reform the restrictive zoning laws to encourage new development to fill the several million housing unit shortage in California. The only thing that will lower housings costs there is an increase in the supply of housing available. There is a ton of building going on there. Not every place should be Manhattan which is one skyscraper after another. When you have that many people and limited land, then yes you need to build for density. Either that or the tech companies need to relocate to other markets. The tech companies are 30 to 40 miles down the road, but they sell their employees on being bused back and forth from the valley to the city. Maybe this was stupid. A lot of the companies (particularly the start-ups) are right in San Francisco. It doesn't help that the BART stations are the places with the lowest density build-up so the transit system is next to useless. California had a great bill that got killed in committee this year to change zoning regs around the BART stations to allow for the development of density around the transit hubs. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: A lot of the companies (particularly the start-ups) are right in San Francisco. Maybe the startups are in repurposed warehouses and stuff, but the big ones that recruit talent and sell them on The San Francisco Experience (not to be confused with The Indiana Difference) are all down around Palo Alto and San Jose. It would be like saying "come work in Naperville so you can live in River North." |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
Isn’t SF the city where the 5x previously deported illegal immigrant was welcomed with open arms and murdered that young woman on the wharf? |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
CH and Rick seem to be on the right track here. SF is special and would be less so likely if the landscape was drastically changed. Therefore, people and companies need to make the tough decisions. Deal with the higher costs due to supply and demand, move or change in some other new way. Maybe people will have to accept they can visit SF easily anytime but cannot live there? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
pittmike wrote: Maybe people will have to accept they can visit SF easily anytime but cannot live there? They miss their old familiar friends, waiting just around the bend.
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
pittmike wrote: CH and Rick seem to be on the right track here. SF is special and would be less so likely if the landscape was drastically changed. Therefore, people and companies need to make the tough decisions. Deal with the higher costs due to supply and demand, move or change in some other new way. Maybe people will have to accept they can visit SF easily anytime but cannot live there? Exactly. There is a reason huge companies are choosing to be there and not a place like Sacramento. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
servers are either a part of your business or not, thats the owners choice. "cant afford to pay them" doesnt make sense. charge your customers more. if you dont think your customers want to pay for servers, then dont have servers. what is the problem here? i know sometimes i want a cute girl to serve me, and i dont mind paying more for that. other times i just want cheap food, and i go to the accordingly place for that shit. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Problem with the Fight for $15 |
badrogue17 wrote: Isn’t SF the city where the 5x previously deported illegal immigrant was welcomed with open arms and murdered that young woman on the wharf? The hell does that have to do with this thread? Give it a rest once in a while. |
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