I'm waiting for our new military alliance with Russia and North Korea.

Europe has been a good doorstop from the Soviet/Russia thing for 70 years. Why stop now?

That's a keen observation. Quite ironic.

Trump is not getting the credit he deserves for the improvement in relations with North Korea. The details of that letter from Kim Jong Un yesterday to Trump were absolutely extraordinary. There might be some showmanship going on between the U.S. and North Korea over disarmament, but at least it's happening. The media has been nothing but unfair and faux-skeptical in its coverage.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics ... index.html

The Europeans are the only ones to blame for their problems. They've made nothing but a mess of immigration, especially in Germany. That was all part of an Obama open borders plan that the European leftists, like Merkel, tried to implement. European integration, even monetary union, was never a good idea in the first place, because of the loss of national identity. Add the influx of muslims, and you have a powder keg there waiting to explode. And yet, the Europeans always come off looking self-righteous, pointing fingers, when they should be pointing fingers at themselves.

It is funny how this statement also fits the left here.

Europeans took a pretty hard look at themselves during the worst of the Islamic siege. Attitudes are not what they were even 5 years ago. Germany sends more people back (or at least tries to) than they take in nowadays. Italy and France wont take any more boats, the NGO's have to go to Spain now. Wont be long before the Spaniards have had enough too. The land route is all but closed and has been for a while now.

NATO does need to go. It only benefits Germany who gets to enjoy life without having to spend a fortune on defense the way the USA, UK and France do. The whole idea of "coalitions of the willing" is outdated. Defense is part of national self-determination. Anyone really worried that Germany is looking to start another world war, and should remain disarmed as a consequence of WW2, is nuts. Probably another globalist who has a vision of a mongrelized USA wielding its military fist over white civilization.

People don't even know what the Germans are like. But I do, having lived in Frankfurt and worked for a German bank in the 90s for three years, and studied the language for 30 years. They are pretty much liberal pacifists to the outside world, Obama's wet dream. They became that way because of guilt for the past and of self-loathing. It is the only political orientation they could have that would be acceptable after WWII.

However, among themselves, the Germans are different. To a degree, "Deutschland über alles" and "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" still holds.

Yea this is pretty astute. If you judge modern Germany by its actions and not its words its actually much more obvious. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a love for the führer, but really more a deep cultural attachment to Prussian values and their odd inheritance of the Napoleonic ideal.

Why should we continue to be in NATO when we have thousands of miles of ocean to protect us from any real foe?

Lying again. Fact is Germany would and could have invaded us in WWII. Far be it for the board police to swoop in and tell me otherwise, but I have posted this fact several times. You can take it or you can leave it. But the NBA would get better ratings than the Germans hitting the mainland because you can't comprehend anything, simpleton.

Well, it looks like the U.S. involvement in NATO is finally coming to an end, or at a minimum, will be cut down. But that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Trump is right that it is time for European countries to step up and take charge of their own security, which means paying for their own security. What does the U.S. need 30,000 troops in Germany for anyway? Seems like a big expense to maintain a few airbases and not much of a deterrent. There is no Cold War anymore, as much as the media like to keep the specter of villain Russia and tyrant Putin going. How bad would Russia be if Putin weren't the leader?

And in the event that a NATO member were attacked, like Albania or Estonia, would the other members really come to their defense? I think it is unlikely. I don't think Britain or Germany would. Probably not Spain or Italy either. But France yes. They're the one European ally the U.S. can count on.

Lying again. Fact is Germany would and could have invaded us in WWII. Far be it for the board police to swoop in and tell me otherwise, but I have posted this fact several times. You can take it or you can leave it. But the NBA would get better ratings than the Germans hitting the mainland because you can't comprehend anything, simpleton.

With a post like that, I think Frank might just be Long Time Gay, either that or LTG's shit is so predictable any of us can mimic him and be dead on.

Where does this even come from?

The furthest Germany went in this regard was their U-boats sinking American tankers and merchant ships along the East Coast after Germany declared war on the U.S. in December, 1941. The film, "Das Boat" gives a good feel for what this was like from the German point of view. But it is a far cry from being invaded or any invasion threat. Germany didn't invade England, which was a lot closer, despite having plans to in Operation Sea-Lion. This proves they were not capable of invading the U.S.

"Operation Sea Lion, also written as Operation Sealion (German: Unternehmen Seelöwe), was Nazi Germany's code name for the plan for an invasion of the United Kingdom during the Battle of Britain in the Second World War. Following the Fall of France, Adolf Hitler, the German Führer and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, hoped the British government would seek a peace agreement and he reluctantly considered invasion only as a last resort if all other options failed. As a precondition, he specified the achievement of both air and naval superiority over the English Channel and the proposed landing sites, but the German forces did not achieve either at any point during the war, and both the German High Command and Hitler himself had serious doubts about the prospects for success. A large number of barges were gathered together on the Channel coast, but, with air losses increasing, Hitler postponed Sea Lion indefinitely on 17 September 1940 and it was never put into action."

Also, the right.

I think that is pretty spot on. NATO should rightly be a true alliance for self protection. But that does not mean that the US needs to place troops within each of the member countries. There was a guy on Tucker's show recently, a retired colonel, who said it very well. If Russia, for example, decided to invade Germany the 30,000 or so American troops there would be squashed like grapes in a couple of days. THe NATO countries need to commit their own manpower and weaponry to provide the first level of defense against attack with its allies committing immediately to the common defense.

This is obviously how it needs to work. Germany is a very rich country and needs its own capable military and to assume that the US is going to over-spend in order to protect the rest of the free world is an unfair assumption.

Ukraine and Georgia probably would disagree with that assessment.

Ukraine and Georgia probably would disagree with that assessment.

Where does this even come from?

The furthest Germany went in this regard was their U-boats sinking American tankers and merchant ships along the East Coast after Germany declared war on the U.S. in December, 1941. The film, "Das Boat" gives a good feel for what this was like from the German point of view. But it is a far cry from being invaded or any invasion threat. Germany didn't invade England, which was a lot closer, despite having plans to in Operation Sea-Lion. This proves they were not capable of invading the U.S.

"Operation Sea Lion, also written as Operation Sealion (German: Unternehmen Seelöwe), was Nazi Germany's code name for the plan for an invasion of the United Kingdom during the Battle of Britain in the Second World War. Following the Fall of France, Adolf Hitler, the German Führer and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, hoped the British government would seek a peace agreement and he reluctantly considered invasion only as a last resort if all other options failed. As a precondition, he specified the achievement of both air and naval superiority over the English Channel and the proposed landing sites, but the German forces did not achieve either at any point during the war, and both the German High Command and Hitler himself had serious doubts about the prospects for success. A large number of barges were gathered together on the Channel coast, but, with air losses increasing, Hitler postponed Sea Lion indefinitely on 17 September 1940 and it was never put into action."