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Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:54 am ] |
Post subject: | When did we all start siding with management? |
80s? 90s? It seems to me that in most situations, the majority of Americans default to siding with management over labor. There are many people who will say "they're running a busines" to justify just about any and everything. |
Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
Case by case basis...for the most part, I still side with labor, but in a situation like Julio Jones, and athletes that hold out in total, I side with management because as far as I'm concerned, a holdout constitutes a breach of contract, and a breaking of your word...at the core of everything, people are only as good as their word. |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
sjboyd0137 wrote: Case by case basis...for the most part, I still side with labor, but in a situation like Julio Jones, and athletes that hold out in total, I side with management because as far as I'm concerned, a holdout constitutes a breach of contract, and a breaking of your word...at the core of everything, people are only as good as their word. Yeah but owners are gazillionaires who can use their collectively bargained rights to terminate a contract anytime they want so they don’t have to live up to their “word” |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
sjboyd0137 wrote: Case by case basis...for the most part, I still side with labor, but in a situation like Julio Jones, and athletes that hold out in total, I side with management because as far as I'm concerned, a holdout constitutes a breach of contract, and a breaking of your word...at the core of everything, people are only as good as their word. Id agree with you if teams were beholden to contracts like the players, but they are not. But in general, there seems to be a lot of "hey fuck you, you're lucky they gave you that job" instead of "hey, good luck getting what your worth, we all should!" Seems like a lot of us have become what used to be termed house slaves yelling at field slaves to stay in line. Keep defending the masters. |
Author: | denisdman [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
Sports teams are quite different than the rest of society. I view it as my team vs labor. When a player holds out, it is not like I am cheering for Ryan Pace. I am cheering/wanting the Bears to be competitive. I don't really hold it against the player, but rather, I just want the person on the field to play for my team. |
Author: | Telegram Sam [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
When everybody started going to college. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
denisdman wrote: Sports teams are quite different than the rest of society. I view it as my team vs labor. When a player holds out, it is not like I am cheering for Ryan Pace. I am cheering/wanting the Bears to be competitive. I don't really hold it against the player, but rather, I just want the person on the field to play for my team. This is beyond sports and Julio Jones. Across the whole spectrum you see more and more of this. Right to work, the demonization of unions, etc. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
Telegram Sam wrote: When everybody started going to college. Interesting theory. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
rogers park bryan wrote: Telegram Sam wrote: When everybody started going to college. Interesting theory. It’s not true though. College grads are still less than half of the country. I would guess non-grads tend to be less labor friendly in their voting patterns as well. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Telegram Sam wrote: When everybody started going to college. Interesting theory. It’s not true though. College grads are still less than half of the country. I would guess non-grads tend to be less labor friendly in their voting patterns as well. Well he didnt say college grads. What percentage of the country goes to at least some college? |
Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
rogers park bryan wrote: denisdman wrote: Sports teams are quite different than the rest of society. I view it as my team vs labor. When a player holds out, it is not like I am cheering for Ryan Pace. I am cheering/wanting the Bears to be competitive. I don't really hold it against the player, but rather, I just want the person on the field to play for my team. This is beyond sports and Julio Jones. Across the whole spectrum you see more and more of this. Right to work, the demonization of unions, etc. I'd say this is largely happening because the face of unions we see most often are the public sector unions and they are quite simply leeches upon the taxpayers. |
Author: | tommy [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
Telegram Sam wrote: When everybody started going to college. Left/Dems = union. Then they added civil rights. Don't like uppity Blacks (and now all these other Brown Folx)? Then you can't like their party. Hence, fuck unions. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
Quote: When did we all start siding with Management? Probably about the time the "WHO GOES FIRST (you may select two options)" thread was started.
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Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME48DbhIn_0 |
Author: | tommy [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
rogers park bryan wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Telegram Sam wrote: When everybody started going to college. Interesting theory. It’s not true though. College grads are still less than half of the country. I would guess non-grads tend to be less labor friendly in their voting patterns as well. Well he didnt say college grads. What percentage of the country goes to at least some college? I think right now 35% are grads of four-year universities. Those with associates degrees or other certifications (or those simply with hours) brings it to nearly 60%. If I remember correctly. Even 25 years ago, less than 25% of Americans had four-year degrees. |
Author: | tommy [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
rogers park bryan wrote: denisdman wrote: Sports teams are quite different than the rest of society. I view it as my team vs labor. When a player holds out, it is not like I am cheering for Ryan Pace. I am cheering/wanting the Bears to be competitive. I don't really hold it against the player, but rather, I just want the person on the field to play for my team. This is beyond sports and Julio Jones. Across the whole spectrum you see more and more of this. Right to work, the demonization of unions, etc. It's true, though; some people hate hate hate unions. Their grandparents are spinning in their graves. |
Author: | Eugene Debs [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
My epiphany came when JLN and Darkside began arguing with JORR about banning those who refused to stop using racist slurs. |
Author: | tommy [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
Maybe also with some of the stupid union rules, like how convention-goers used to complain that they couldn't change a light bulb without bringing a union electrician over, who would charge them up the yingyang. (Whether that is true or not, I have no idea, but that story has legs.) Or the punk-ass kid who gets a job at Jewel and sees that his first paychecks is for four dollars because he had to pay for a uniform and $90 in union fees. |
Author: | tommy [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:35 pm ] |
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Eugene Debs wrote: My epiphany came when JLN and Darkside began arguing with JORR about banning those who refused to stop using racist slurs. go back to Russia |
Author: | KDdidit [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
The same reasons everybody sides with the rich probably |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
tommy wrote: Maybe also with some of the stupid union rules, like how convention-goers used to complain that they couldn't change a light bulb without bringing a union electrician over, who would charge them up the yingyang. (Whether that is true or not, I have no idea, but that story has legs.) Or the punk-ass kid who gets a job at Jewel and sees that his first paychecks is for four dollars because he had to pay for a uniform and $90 in union fees. First of all, bolded = awesome I don't want to get too far into the union rabbit hole because this isnt just about unions. It permeates everything. We have a nationwide fetish for authority. Which feels weird considering the whole "by the people, for the people" thing. |
Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
Eugene Debs wrote: My epiphany came when JLN and Darkside began arguing with JORR about banning those who refused to stop using racist slurs. Fuck off red. |
Author: | denisdman [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
rogers park bryan wrote: It permeates everything. We have a nationwide fetish for authority. Which feels weird considering the whole "by the people, for the people" thing. We hold up successful people as heroes. It applies to actors, musicians, athletes, and CEO's. The country craves to see and hear about successful people. How they did it. How they live. They make movies about Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg. It is perfectly American to look up to and hold these folks in high regard. |
Author: | Rod [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
rogers park bryan wrote: I don't want to get too far into the union rabbit hole because this isnt just about unions. Yeah, and it's difficult to discuss the nobility of unions within the context of Chicago and its gangster politics and corruption. For example, I've discussed unions with Seacrest on many occasions and while I don't think he is anti-union in the larger sense, he always returns to his practical experiences with Chicago unions. |
Author: | Rod [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
denisdman wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: It permeates everything. We have a nationwide fetish for authority. Which feels weird considering the whole "by the people, for the people" thing. We hold up successful people as heroes. It applies to actors, musicians, athletes, and CEO's. The country craves to see and hear about successful people. How they did it. How they live. They make movies about Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg. It is perfectly American to look up to and hold these folks in high regard. We'd be better off looking up to August Spies or Sacco & Vanzetti. |
Author: | Kirkwood [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
Public unions' assholery Rise of knowledge economy and cubicle workers |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
rogers park bryan wrote: Well he didnt say college grads. What percentage of the country goes to at least some college? Well I don't think taking one college course or several would much change someone's outlook. I would say this on your question: 1. Is it true? 2. It if is what are all the factors that you think go into it? I would say that the rise of the billionaire celebrity is certainly a major factor as is the idea that everyone is an entrepreneur. |
Author: | roger shark bryan [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
Guys, the caricature of the evil poor guy evolved when shows like "Roseanne" and "Good Times" ended. The Lovie Smith-looking John Amos did his part to glorify poverty... Besides, shouldn't we all make the same anount of money anyway? |
Author: | Drunk Squirrel [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
tommy wrote: Maybe also with some of the stupid union rules, like how convention-goers used to complain that they couldn't change a light bulb without bringing a union electrician over, who would charge them up the yingyang. (Whether that is true or not, I have no idea, but that story has legs.) Or the punk-ass kid who gets a job at Jewel and sees that his first paychecks is for four dollars because he had to pay for a uniform and $90 in union fees. Mine was working for Eagle one summer. First 60 days I was okay non union but they came in on day 61 to sign me up. I think to work the last 3 weeks before going back to school I would have walked away with a hundred bucks or something. Maybe 200. I told the rep nope and my boss just said thanks (he had warned me this was likely and told me to just say no and quit). |
Author: | denisdman [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: When did we all start siding with management? |
roger shark bryan wrote: Guys, the caricature of the evil poor guy evolved when shows like "Roseanne" and "Good Times" ended. The Lovie Smith-looking John Amos did his part to glorify poverty... Besides, shouldn't we all make the same anount of money anyway? This mult almost got me. Desperate times for the distract and redirect crowd. |
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