My guess is illegal Mexican

Cicero police say after Duarte was shot the suspect ran away and started shooting at another officer that tried to chase him.

"We were luckily (sic) enough to have a citizen on the street who's a concealed carry holder and he also engaged in gun fire with this offender who was struck one time and was taken to Cook County Hospital," Supt. Chlada said.

This happened just after 5 p.m. near Cicero and the Stevenson at the height of rush hour.

He was licensed to carry so that's unlikely

This quote is pretty crazy....you would think the cops wouldn't want citizens to start shooting. I mean, how would you really know if the citizen(s) is a good guy with all the crossfire possibilities?

"We were luckily (sic) enough to have a citizen on the street who's a concealed carry holder and he also engaged in gun fire with this offender who was struck one time and was taken to Cook County Hospital," Supt. Chlada said.

"We were luckily (sic) enough to have a citizen on the street who's a concealed carry holder and he also engaged in gun fire with this offender who was struck one time and was taken to Cook County Hospital," Supt. Chlada said.

They should have taken him to Stroger. Cook County Hospital has been closed for 15 years.

i feel like there is more to this than what is been reported. I can't imagine a dude just whipping out a weapon and start shooting a long side officers.

i feel like there is more to this than what is been reported. I can't imagine a dude just whipping out a weapon and start shooting a long side officers.

Dude is a hero .

I can. MANY would come to the aid of an officer before they come to the aid of Joe Citizen. The guy likely saved the lives of 2 officers and is a hero because of that. What he did was illegal. I doubt he will be charged and I'm fine with that. You don't want concealed carry people to start going around acting like cops though.

Why is it illegal?

I'm pretty sure that someone with a gun isn't allowed to use it to stop a criminal UNLESS they are under attack. IIRC there have been a couple of cases of a concealed carry owner firing their weapons for things like stealing from a store.

I'm pretty sure that someone with a gun isn't allowed to use it to stop a criminal UNLESS they are under attack. IIRC there have been a couple of cases of a concealed carry owner firing their weapons for things like stealing from a store.

You would be wrong.

Explain.

I know the Illinois Laws.


(720 ILCS 5/7-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-1) 
    Sec. 7-1. Use of force in defense of person. 
    (a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony.

Thanks! I stand corrected. I wasn't aware of this and it kinda concerns me. A concealed carry permit makes you a cop lite.

This isnt necesserally concealed carry specific. The point here is that if you see someone beating a woman to death in the street and you happen to have a pocket knife or a brick available to you you are permitted to use force to prevent the murder or grievous injury to the victim. It's a wonderful law. It allows you to defend yourself and defend your loved ones or maybe some stranger you see on the street getting raped or murdered. Would you prefer others stand by watching?

For the record, if I were in say a liquor store and witnessed an armed robbery I'd be justified in use of force to shoot the perp. I myself would not. Typically a guy robbing a liquor store is a coward and has no intention of shooting a clerk (although I'm aware this happens). The losses are insured. I'm not killing someone over a couple hundred dollars.

It brings up an interesting paradox. If he shot the clerk I would draw and fire if I was sure I could hit him and not someone behind him as well or an innocent in the way that hopefully i didnt tunnel vision out of my LOS. But did i do my proper duty as a good citizen and not prevent potential loss of life? I'm certainly not required to intervene. Should I have before waiting until it was too late? Could I have reasonably known the perp was going to drop the hammer on the clerk?

Either way this law is a good thing. Just because you are not a sworn peace officer doesn't mean you dont have certain responsibilities to contribute to your societies well being. We can arrest perps. That's been a part of the law for decades. We should help prevent death or injury to out fellow citizens.

I thought that was specific to CC. I have no problem with someone defending themselves or a loved one. It can get tricky when you intervene for someone else but in most cases I'm okay with it.

You're a responsible gun owner. I don't think any reasonable person who have read your thoughts on guns over the years would disagree. Everyone isn't. There are a lot of cowboys out here. While some of their hearts may be in the right place I generally prefer the trained professionals to do the shooting. What if the CC holder misses and hits innocent people? What if another CC holder mistakes the good citizen for a criminal? What of a responding officer does? There will be a lot of outrage. For the safety of all involved it should be a last resort type of thing.

Here's the Florida incident in was referring to... I'd be quite interested in your thoughts.
https://youtu.be/KAUrLpmOQVk