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Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
I thought we settled this matter before but apparently not. WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: FavreFan wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: NBA players feel pressure because of online harassment? Fuck them. They literally are worshiped as Gods from middle school on up. They have their choice of groupies to sleep with. They travel the world first class in the best hotels, and they get paid millions for their trouble. Their work is playing a game and working out. Spend a week in the cubicle dealing with pay check to pay check pressure, and they can talk about depression and pressure. It didn't go so well for IMU years back when he made the case rich people can't be depressed. Don't think you're right here either. What do you not think is right? Quit being stupid. NBA players are not sympathetic figures. I don't care about the mental health issues of millionaires who have incredible resources at their back. It's an utterly ridiculous post to worry about rich athletes facing too much social media criticism. You might want to look beyond shit IMU said here when trying to frame an argument. What say you, CFMB? |
Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
Of course, but I don't feel bad for them because of online harassment. |
Author: | Jbi11s [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
Yes. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
leashyourkids wrote: Of course, but I don't feel bad for them because of online harassment. Me neither. But the “work a real job then talk to me about depression” is about as dumb as a statement can be. |
Author: | billypootons [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
if you have a lot of money you ability to feel certain human emotions goes away.... there is a chart somewhere, maybe WFR can dig it out |
Author: | IMU [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
WfR is spot on. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
FavreFan wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Of course, but I don't feel bad for them because of online harassment. Me neither. But the “work a real job then talk to me about depression” is about as dumb as a statement can be. It's about as stupid as can be for this society's demigods to complain that the peasants are too mean to them on Twitter so they are unhappy. |
Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
I'm absolutely willing to find out. Somebody start a gofundme or whatever for it. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: FavreFan wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Of course, but I don't feel bad for them because of online harassment. Me neither. But the “work a real job then talk to me about depression” is about as dumb as a statement can be. It's about as stupid as can be for this society's demigods to complain that the peasants are too mean to them on Twitter so they are unhappy. Who complained about that? You clearly are in over your head in this discussion. I'd suggest exiting it quietly. |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
leashyourkids wrote: Of course, but I don't feel bad for them because of online harassment. This. To suggest you can't be depressed because you have money is just silly. No one is gonna cry for those people though. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
FavreFan wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: FavreFan wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Of course, but I don't feel bad for them because of online harassment. Me neither. But the “work a real job then talk to me about depression” is about as dumb as a statement can be. It's about as stupid as can be for this society's demigods to complain that the peasants are too mean to them on Twitter so they are unhappy. Who complained about that? You clearly are in over your head in this discussion. I'd suggest exiting it quietly. The NBA commissioner said his players were unhappy because of social media in an interview with Bill Simmons. Then Julie said something similar about terrible people on Twitter. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: FavreFan wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: FavreFan wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Of course, but I don't feel bad for them because of online harassment. Me neither. But the “work a real job then talk to me about depression” is about as dumb as a statement can be. It's about as stupid as can be for this society's demigods to complain that the peasants are too mean to them on Twitter so they are unhappy. Who complained about that? You clearly are in over your head in this discussion. I'd suggest exiting it quietly. The NBA commissioner said his players were unhappy because of social media in an interview with Bill Simmons. Then Julie said something similar about terrible people on Twitter. Right... so no players complained, meaning your last post (basically everyone you've made on the topic, really) makes no sense. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
Quote: Can Rich People Be Depressed? I think we can answer this question with another question.Denis, have you ever been depressed? |
Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
Can they? Yes. But I have much less sympathy for them. Wealthy people have resources and options to assist in their depression unavailable to regular people. |
Author: | denisdman [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Quote: Can Rich People Be Depressed? I think we can answer this question with another question.Denis, have you ever been depressed? Nope. But I have been blessed throughout my life. The toughest thing I ever had to deal with was my father leaving us at six years old. And the good side of that was my mom remarrying and gaining two brothers and a great stepfather. I have always been aspirational with a can do philosophy. That outlook has served me well. Before even being a teenager, I knew that I would do whatever it took to acquire the things I wanted- wife, kids, dogs, house, cars, being a good father, etc. Well off people can certainly be depressed. They forget to take stock of all their blessings. I have a large and strong family, which has been an important part of my life. I value work life balance and treating others with respect. I can say that having money is nice. I remember the days early in my marriage where the check book barely had enough in it. I think $78 was the lowest balance I can remember. But it was close every month. It was tough paying to get through grad school and working a full time job without using debt. I didn’t stop school/tests until 32 years old. It paid off. But we were struggling until my late 20’s to get ahead. |
Author: | denisdman [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
Kirkwood wrote: Can they? Yes. But I have much less sympathy for them. Wealthy people have resources and options to assist in their depression unavailable to regular people. I don’t want to diminish mental illness, but the upper middle class and rich create most of their own problems. So many of their problems are of their own making- more cultural/societal than a true illness. They are chasing something they will never get. Misuse of meds, Alcohol abuse, Rampant consumerism, Overuse of debt to acquire stuff they can’t really afford, Marital issues due to infidelity and the like, Not letting their kids grow up, Prioritize work over family. Etc. They’re not sympathetic. |
Author: | Seacrest [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
FavreFan wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: FavreFan wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Of course, but I don't feel bad for them because of online harassment. Me neither. But the “work a real job then talk to me about depression” is about as dumb as a statement can be. It's about as stupid as can be for this society's demigods to complain that the peasants are too mean to them on Twitter so they are unhappy. Who complained about that? Kyrie Irving |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
FavreFan wrote: Right... so no players complained, meaning your last post (basically everyone you've made on the topic, really) makes no sense. Players complained to the commissioner. Here is an article with NBA players complaining about negative social media comments: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/279 ... of-control |
Author: | pittmike [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
Yes they can. I was treated. I am not rich but have money and that leads to a point that is important. Depression and pressure are not the same thing. Being flat broke, poor or a factory worker can certainly make treating or even being able to treat it harder this increasiythat pressure. Me and many have blessed lives for the most part like Dennis pressure free. Doesn’t take situational or clinical depression potential. One of the cruelest realities is to deny the rich stay at home mom’s depression and she has no pressure. It’s a joke until they kill themselves. |
Author: | pittmike [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
Since I was typing my post so many wrong ideas about middle class and upper making their own depression. Read a little. Start with biochemistry and neurotransmitters. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
I never said rich people can't be depressed or depression is not a problem. It's the idea that wealthy NBA players feel bad because of negative social media comments. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: I never said rich people can't be depressed or depression is not a problem. It's the ideal that wealthy NBA players feel bad because of negative social media comments. I don't think the cause of the problem is social media. That's just another symptom. And it's not just relegated to NBA players. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... le/583441/ |
Author: | denisdman [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
pittmike wrote: Since I was typing my post so many wrong ideas about middle class and upper making their own depression. Read a little. Start with biochemistry and neurotransmitters. My point is some have a true illness, but many it is something different. If it is diagnosed correctly as depression, then fine. But I am not going to feel bad for someone who is losing his boat because he can’t make the payment or is upset because he works 80 hour weeks. Those are poor life choices. I’ll reserve my concern for folks with real problems. My undergrad is in BioChem, btw. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
FavreFan wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: I never said rich people can't be depressed or depression is not a problem. It's the ideal that wealthy NBA players feel bad because of negative social media comments. I don't think the cause of the problem is social media. That's just another symptom. And it's not just relegated to NBA players. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... le/583441/ I am only talking about NBA players and the commissioner specifically saying that social media is making players miserable. They are young, rich and have many resources behind them. |
Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
If we are going to get all serious here, I live comfortably and I obviously had some issues, given my missteps. There was a combination of things which led to substances. While I take my fair share of blame, I would disagree with Denis that I just started abusing chemicals and it caused all my problems. My response to the problem was not a well-adjusted one, but the cause of many people's issues is simply how we live today. The world we live in is out of balance with how we evolved. For example, we have adrenaline and a fight-or-flight response for specific reasons. We needed that jolt to fend off a predator or perhaps kill prey. Due to our evolution and modern technology, we now have that fight-or-flight response turned on constantly. Computer screens, traffic lights, horns, telephones, Twitter, etc. These things are not natural. We are the only species who have evolved so far that we don't have to worry about our next meal or, in the case of wealthy countries, having a roof over our heads. While none of that is natural, there are constructive ways to deal with these dilemmas. Spirituality is something that many use. Serving others is another way. There are many others. We have to get out of our own heads. Our modern lifestyles are too leisurely and void of purpose. Though I'm not religious, I do now see why religion has always been around and why it is in many ways necessary. When you reach a certain level of wealth... and make no mistake - everyone who even posts on this board is in the wealthiest 1% of 1% of human beings who have ever lived... you have a lot of time, a lot of "stuff", small families, and no real immediate worries. That's not how we were designed. There has to be more to it. I do think that some people naturally understand that and adapt to it well without much effort. Others, such as myself, have to work for it. It took me awhile to realize that. |
Author: | Peoria Matt [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
If only there was some way to escape the "abuse" on Twitter....... |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
I've been depressed that I haven't been able to get out and golf yet. Not trying to marginalize people who kill themselves due to depression, but I've been in a real rut lately and honestly I think part of it is due to the terrible weather. Sometimes just a nice walk in mild temperatures with the sun beating down on you can put you into your own little world. Doing something like this has literally nothing to do with how many or how few zeros or commas are on your paycheck. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
leashyourkids wrote: If we are going to get all serious here, I live comfortably and I obviously had some issues, given my missteps. There was a combination of things which led to substances. While I take my fair share of blame, I would disagree with Denis that I just started abusing chemicals and it caused all my problems. My response to the problem was not a well-adjusted one, but the cause of many people's issues is simply how we live today. The world we live in is out of balance with how we evolved. For example, we have adrenaline and a fight-or-flight response for specific reasons. We needed that jolt to fend off a predator or perhaps kill prey. Due to our evolution and modern technology, we now have that fight-or-flight response turned on constantly. Computer screens, traffic lights, horns, telephones, Twitter, etc. These things are not natural. We are the only species who have evolved so far that we don't have to worry about our next meal or, in the case of wealthy countries, having a roof over our heads. While none of that is natural, there are constructive ways to deal with these dilemmas. Spirituality is something that many use. Serving others is another way. There are many others. We have to get out of our own heads. Our modern lifestyles are too leisurely and void of purpose. Though I'm not religious, I do now see why religion has always been around and why it is in many ways necessary. When you reach a certain level of wealth... and make no mistake - everyone who even posts on this board is in the wealthiest 1% of 1% of human beings who have ever lived... you have a lot of time, a lot of "stuff", small families, and no real immediate worries. That's not how we were designed. There has to be more to it. I do think that some people naturally understand that and adapt to it well without much effort. Others, such as myself, have to work for it. It took me awhile to realize that. You should read that article I linked. I think you'd find it interesting. Covers a lot of the same ground as this post. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
Frank Coztansa wrote: I've been depressed that I haven't been able to get out and golf yet. Not trying to marginalize people who kill themselves due to depression, but I've been in a real rut lately and honestly I think part of it is due to the terrible weather. Sometimes just a nice walk in mild temperatures with the sun beating down on you can put you into your own little world. Doing something like this has literally nothing to do with how many or how few zeros or commas are on your paycheck. SAD is real. Praying for you. |
Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Can Rich People Be Depressed? |
Terry's Peeps wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Of course, but I don't feel bad for them because of online harassment. This. To suggest you can't be depressed because you have money is just silly. No one is gonna cry for those people though. Yup. It doesn't mean that their depression or mental illness isn't as bad as anyone else's, but if you make enough money to take a 6-month sabbatical to India to "find yourself," people aren't going to have a lot of pity. |
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