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Authorities at the University of Missouri fired a campus police officer after a photo of him wearing blackface emerged.

The photo shows Marcus Collins of the MU Police Department wearing blackface as part of a costume of rapper Flava Flav. It was taken before Collins started working for the department. The image, which was reportedly hared on social media, was sent to MU on Tuesday morning. When confronted with the photo, Collins admitted it was him — and hours later, he was terminated, according to MU police spokesman Christian Basi.

I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us.

I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request.

rogers park bryan wrote:

I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request.

I agree 100%.

But if a picture that is 4, 5 years old surfaces should you be fired for that? I get that its a fine line and a very sensitive issue.

it's a bad look for the company (and him)...so, they had to fire him. but now it's even worse for dude because he's "blackface guy", regardless of his intentions.

My take: The clock was enough. People would have known he was Flav without the face paint.

I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request.

The "work" as you put it can start with one basic question: Would you allow a 14-16 year old AJ leave your home looking like that? If not, another question, why not?

rogers park bryan wrote:

It is a reasonable request.

But to hold people accountable to the point of firing them for things like this in the past is just a bit much. I mean I feel like every single one of us would be fired today if every thing we have ever said or done was held under such tight scrutiny.

RFDC wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

I think the issue is that he has a different set of standards as a police officer. He is given more power than a Chipotle manager but also these types of things matter more than they would for that Chipotle manager.

Frank Coztansa wrote:

I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us.

This may be true for other reasons, but you and me are near the same age and I knew from a pretty young age that covering your face in black paint and acting like a black guy was not something you should do. It's not like this became common knowledge 5 years ago.

He is given more power than a Chipotle manager but also these types of things matter more than they would for that Chipotle manager.

RFDC wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He is given more power than a Chipotle manager but also these types of things matter more than they would for that Chipotle manager.

Until that Chipotle manager refuses to make food for people who have been known to come in and place orders without paying.

And if said manager went to another restaurant, and he was fired for something that he did while at Chipotle, would that be right?

The "work" as you put it can start with one basic question: Would you allow a 14-16 year old AJ leave your home looking like that? If not, another question, why not?

He didn't walk through a fucking cloud of soot. That takes time, forethought, and effort. Throughout that process he didn't think it was a bad or offensive idea. And then he took and/or posted a picture of it.

Have you guys ever hired anybody?

Telegram Sam wrote:

Hiring them isn't the issue.

What if your top, best of the best employee, whom had been with you for over a year and helped your increase profits and your business become more efficient, suddenly had some photos come up from a party s/he went to in 2009 and he was dressed in something questionable like this?

Do you fire him/her solely because of that?

I guess I struggle with calling this "blackface".

I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:00 am ]
Post subject:	Fireable offense?
Quote: Authorities at the University of Missouri fired a campus police officer after a photo of him wearing blackface emerged. The photo shows Marcus Collins of the MU Police Department wearing blackface as part of a costume of rapper Flava Flav. It was taken before Collins started working for the department. The image, which was reportedly hared on social media, was sent to MU on Tuesday morning. When confronted with the photo, Collins admitted it was him — and hours later, he was terminated, according to MU police spokesman Christian Basi. https://www.abc17news.com/news/mupd-fir ... 1060769354 Is an old picture of a Halloween costume like this reason enough to fire somebody? I get the whole blackface thing, but to me a Halloween costume like this is done in good fun and not to piss people off. I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:08 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us. This may be true for other reasons, but you and me are near the same age and I knew from a pretty young age that covering your face in black paint and acting like a black guy was not something you should do. It's not like this became common knowledge 5 years ago.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:09 am ]
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My take: The clock was enough. People would have known he was Flav without the face paint. I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:11 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is this offensive?
rogers park bryan wrote: I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request. I agree 100%. But if a picture that is 4, 5 years old surfaces should you be fired for that? I get that its a fine line and a very sensitive issue.

Author:	doug - evergreen park [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:13 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is this offensive?
it's a bad look for the company (and him)...so, they had to fire him. but now it's even worse for dude because he's "blackface guy", regardless of his intentions.

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Author:	Regular Reader [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:15 am ]
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The "work" as you put it can start with one basic question: Would you allow a 14-16 year old AJ leave your home looking like that? If not, another question, why not? Plus who in their right mind thinks that clowns are funny? And any law enforcement officer loses all credibility in the eyes of many, so he should be fired. Ask Mark Fuhrman.

Author:	SpiralStairs [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:15 am ]
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doug - evergreen park wrote: it's a bad look for the company (and him)...so, they had to fire him. but now it's even worse for dude because he's "blackface guy", regardless of his intentions. Yeah, creates a bigger headache for the employer if they keep the blackface guy.

Author:	RFDC [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:16 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: My take: The clock was enough. People would have known he was Flav without the face paint. I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request. It is a reasonable request. But to hold people accountable to the point of firing them for things like this in the past is just a bit much. I mean I feel like every single one of us would be fired today if every thing we have ever said or done was held under such tight scrutiny.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:17 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is this offensive?
With this rise in white nationalism/ supremacy and the ensuing cities and universities springing up to cater to it specifically he’ll have no problems finding work where that’ll be accepted .

Author:	Brick [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:18 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is this offensive?
RFDC wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: My take: The clock was enough. People would have known he was Flav without the face paint. I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request. It is a reasonable request. But to hold people accountable to the point of firing them for things like this in the past is just a bit much. I mean I feel like every single one of us would be fired today if every thing we have ever said or done was held under such tight scrutiny. I think the issue is that he has a different set of standards as a police officer. He is given more power than a Chipotle manager but also these types of things matter more than they would for that Chipotle manager.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is this offensive?
Boilermaker Rick wrote: RFDC wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: My take: The clock was enough. People would have known he was Flav without the face paint. I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request. It is a reasonable request. But to hold people accountable to the point of firing them for things like this in the past is just a bit much. I mean I feel like every single one of us would be fired today if every thing we have ever said or done was held under such tight scrutiny. I think the issue is that he has a different set of standards as a police officer. He is given more power than a Chipotle manager but also these types of things matter more than they would for that Chipotle manager. What if he wasn’t on the force when the picture was taken ?

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is this offensive?
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us. This may be true for other reasons, but you and me are near the same age and I knew from a pretty young age that covering your face in black paint and acting like a black guy was not something you should do. It's not like this became common knowledge 5 years ago. Yup

Author:	RFDC [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is this offensive?
Boilermaker Rick wrote: RFDC wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: My take: The clock was enough. People would have known he was Flav without the face paint. I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request. It is a reasonable request. But to hold people accountable to the point of firing them for things like this in the past is just a bit much. I mean I feel like every single one of us would be fired today if every thing we have ever said or done was held under such tight scrutiny. I think the issue is that he has a different set of standards as a police officer. He is given more power than a Chipotle manager but also these types of things matter more than they would for that Chipotle manager. I would agree with this if the man did it while being a police officer.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Fireable offense?
Frank Coztansa wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: He is given more power than a Chipotle manager but also these types of things matter more than they would for that Chipotle manager. Until that Chipotle manager refuses to make food for people who have been known to come in and place orders without paying. And if said manager went to another restaurant, and he was fired for something that he did while at Chipotle, would that be right? That was what I was referencing. That manager got their job back.

Author:	pittmike [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:28 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Fireable offense?
Yes it is bad luck that someone unearthed an old pic of a cop (campus?) from long before. Anyone know how it came out? Anyyway, it seems as the article mentioned the similar thing happening in Columbia with a troubling outcome may have played into it. I don't know how fair it is but cops and I also know teachers get more scrutiny than others. How far back should it go and intent seems not to be applicable. I know teachers here that either are very strict on their social media or stay off altogether. A HS teacher being shown in crazy ass parties doing keg stands on Facebook can get you disciplined or fired. The years old stuff not sure about. I am older than some of you guys and never had an urge to have something like that as a costume. I don't recall seeing it really. IN the mid 80s though we would also know the difference of dressing like a minstrel show and going as MC Hammer. Someone find a picture now doesn't care.

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Author:	Curious Hair [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is this offensive?
Regular Reader wrote: The "work" as you put it can start with one basic question: Would you allow a 14-16 year old AJ leave your home looking like that? If not, another question, why not? DR. MELFI: You did the right thing by preventing Anthony from entering a potentially difficult situation. TONY: Look. I get why people don't like it. I shtudied history. Mistrial shows and all dat. But it's the dishreshpect of it, right? HE TOOK THAT FUCKIN' CLOCK OFF MY FUCKIN' WALL. DR. MELFI:

Author:	badrogue17 [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Fireable offense?
Is anyone actually offended by that photo ?

Author:	Don Tiny [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:27 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is this offensive?
rogers park bryan wrote: My take: The clock was enough. People would have known he was Flav without the face paint. I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request. There's also a school of thought that suggests nothing is gained whatsoever by having an entirely unnecessary Pavlovian hissy-fit over it, and perhaps there are better ways to handle a situation like this in a more reasoned manner. Of all the things in 1984 that have come to pass, the daily Two Minutes Hate is by far the aspect of the book that this country has embraced. I think Jimmy V's daily list of 'think, laugh, and cry' has morphed into 'laugh, cry, and feel righteously indignant'.

Author:	Telegram Sam [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Fireable offense?
He didn't walk through a fucking cloud of soot. That takes time, forethought, and effort. Throughout that process he didn't think it was a bad or offensive idea. And then he took and/or posted a picture of it. Have you guys ever hired anybody?

Author:	GoldenJet [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Fireable offense?
I guess I struggle with calling this "blackface".

Author:	Telegram Sam [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Fireable offense?
Frank Coztansa wrote: Telegram Sam wrote: He didn't walk through a fucking cloud of soot. That takes time, forethought, and effort. Throughout that process he didn't think it was a bad or offensive idea. And then he took and/or posted a picture of it. Have you guys ever hired anybody? Hiring them isn't the issue. What if your top, best of the best employee, whom had been with you for over a year and helped your increase profits and your business become more efficient, suddenly had some photos come up from a party s/he went to in 2009 and he was dressed in something questionable like this? Do you fire him/her solely because of that? He can't effectively do that job. I would hesitate to say I was doing him a favor, but that lapse in judgement will haunt him.

Author:	pittmike [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Fireable offense?
GoldenJet wrote: I guess I struggle with calling this "blackface". Back to my post yes. Today's definition is different. Old time was definitely minstrel show.

Author:	Seacrest [ Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:39 am ]
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Telegram Sam wrote: He didn't walk through a fucking cloud of soot. That takes time, forethought, and effort. Throughout that process he didn't think it was a bad or offensive idea. And then he took and/or posted a picture of it. Have you guys ever hired anybody? My best hire ever was a guy that did 10 years for attempted murder.