https://www.abc17news.com/news/mupd-fir ... 1060769354


Is an old picture of a Halloween costume like this reason enough to fire somebody? I get the whole blackface thing, but to me a Halloween costume like this is done in good fun and not to piss people off.

I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us.

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This may be true for other reasons, but you and me are near the same age and I knew from a pretty young age that covering your face in black paint and acting like a black guy was not something you should do. It's not like this became common knowledge 5 years ago.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

My take: The clock was enough. People would have known he was Flav without the face paint.


I dont think most people that do this are setting out to be racist or offensive but "just dont do blackface" seems like a reasonable request.

I agree 100%.

But if a picture that is 4, 5 years old surfaces should you be fired for that? I get that its a fine line and a very sensitive issue.

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it's a bad look for the company (and him)...so, they had to fire him. but now it's even worse for dude because he's "blackface guy", regardless of his intentions.

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@audioidkid

No. Except for very extreme circumstances and some specific jobs, I dont think off the clock behavior should have any bearing on employment.

The "work" as you put it can start with one basic question: Would you allow a 14-16 year old AJ leave your home looking like that? If not, another question, why not?

Plus who in their right mind thinks that clowns are funny?

And any law enforcement officer loses all credibility in the eyes of many, so he should be fired. Ask Mark Fuhrman.

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Yeah, creates a bigger headache for the employer if they keep the blackface guy.

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It is a reasonable request.

But to hold people accountable to the point of firing them for things like this in the past is just a bit much. I mean I feel like every single one of us would be fired today if every thing we have ever said or done was held under such tight scrutiny.

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With this rise in white nationalism/ supremacy and the ensuing cities and universities springing up to cater to it specifically he’ll have no problems finding work where that’ll be accepted .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I have changed the thread title as this is the question I really wanted to discuss.

Because the answer to the initial question is, "yes it can be"

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I would not let a minor in my care leave the house like that.


I would, however, be demanding answers if my son got fired from a job based on a social media picture such as this one that was taken years before he was employed by said company.

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I think the issue is that he has a different set of standards as a police officer. He is given more power than a Chipotle manager but also these types of things matter more than they would for that Chipotle manager.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

What if he wasn’t on the force when the picture was taken ?

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Yup

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Until that Chipotle manager refuses to make food for people who have been known to come in and place orders without paying.


And if said manager went to another restaurant, and he was fired for something that he did while at Chipotle, would that be right?

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I would agree with this if the man did it while being a police officer.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

That was what I was referencing. That manager got their job back.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

DR. MELFI: You did the right thing by preventing Anthony from entering a potentially difficult situation.

TONY: Look. I get why people don't like it. I shtudied history. Mistrial shows and all dat. But it's the dishreshpect of it, right? HE TOOK THAT FUCKIN' CLOCK OFF MY FUCKIN' WALL.

DR. MELFI:

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Is anyone actually offended by that photo ?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

And if you want to do it to be EDGY, then have at it. Some people will think its funny. Others will think you're a terrible person.


I dont know if police officers qualify for the exception but 99% of jobs should not be looking at what a person does in their free time at all.

There's also a school of thought that suggests nothing is gained whatsoever by having an entirely unnecessary Pavlovian hissy-fit over it, and perhaps there are better ways to handle a situation like this in a more reasoned manner.

Of all the things in 1984 that have come to pass, the daily Two Minutes Hate is by far the aspect of the book that this country has embraced. I think Jimmy V's daily list of 'think, laugh, and cry' has morphed into 'laugh, cry, and feel righteously indignant'.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Yes it is bad luck that someone unearthed an old pic of a cop (campus?) from long before. Anyone know how it came out? Anyyway, it seems as the article mentioned the similar thing happening in Columbia with a troubling outcome may have played into it.

I don't know how fair it is but cops and I also know teachers get more scrutiny than others. How far back should it go and intent seems not to be applicable.

I know teachers here that either are very strict on their social media or stay off altogether. A HS teacher being shown in crazy ass parties doing keg stands on Facebook can get you disciplined or fired. The years old stuff not sure about.

I am older than some of you guys and never had an urge to have something like that as a costume. I don't recall seeing it really. IN the mid 80s though we would also know the difference of dressing like a minstrel show and going as MC Hammer. Someone find a picture now doesn't care.

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He didn't walk through a fucking cloud of soot. That takes time, forethought, and effort. Throughout that process he didn't think it was a bad or offensive idea. And then he took and/or posted a picture of it.

Have you guys ever hired anybody?

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Hiring them isn't the issue.

What if your top, best of the best employee, whom had been with you for over a year and helped your increase profits and your business become more efficient, suddenly had some photos come up from a party s/he went to in 2009 and he was dressed in something questionable like this?

Do you fire him/her solely because of that?

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I guess I struggle with calling this "blackface".

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He can't effectively do that job. I would hesitate to say I was doing him a favor, but that lapse in judgement will haunt him.

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I don't remember half the time if I'm hiding or I'm lost

Back to my post yes. Today's definition is different. Old time was definitely minstrel show.

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Elections have consequences.

Just saw this part.

Dont blackface your baby, Frank

My best hire ever was a guy that did 10 years for attempted murder.

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