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Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun May 05, 2019 11:44 am ]
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-shooti ... atch-party

I find it ludicrous that a bar would be held responsible for a murder rampage. Hopefully the suit fails.

Author:  SpiralStairs [ Sun May 05, 2019 12:30 pm ]
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But for her serving him those drinks this never would of happened. She has got blood on her hands.

Author:  Brick [ Sun May 05, 2019 12:34 pm ]
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SpiralStairs wrote:
But for her serving him those drinks this never would of happened. She has got blood on her hands.

He was spinning a knife on the table saying he had work to do.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Sun May 05, 2019 12:38 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
But for her serving him those drinks this never would of happened. She has got blood on her hands.

He was spinning a knife on the table saying he had work to do.


Probably a nightly occurrence down there.

She probably should have called the police on this one.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Sun May 05, 2019 12:38 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
But for her serving him those drinks this never would of happened. She has got blood on her hands.

He was spinning a knife on the table saying he had work to do.


If you can't serve people like that, you can't own a bar in Texas.

Author:  SpiralStairs [ Sun May 05, 2019 12:40 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
But for her serving him those drinks this never would of happened. She has got blood on her hands.

He was spinning a knife on the table saying he had work to do.


Maybe he was meeting up with Crocodile Dundee later.

Author:  Telegram Sam [ Sun May 05, 2019 12:43 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
But for her serving him those drinks this never would of happened. She has got blood on her hands.

He was spinning a knife on the table saying he had work to do.


If you can't serve people like that, you can't own a bar in Texas.


This is kind of right. It is not, nor has it ever been, a moral high ground vocation.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Sun May 05, 2019 12:45 pm ]
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I look forward to Trump's tweet.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun May 05, 2019 12:52 pm ]
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The article says she did call the cops, but it was too late. I don't know... seems like quite a burden to put on bartenders to make them determine who might be a potential murderer. Sometimes there's no one to blame but the guy who killed 8 people.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Sun May 05, 2019 12:53 pm ]
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We need pre crime.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:00 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
The article says she did call the cops, but it was too late. I don't know... seems like quite a burden to put on bartenders to make them determine who might be a potential murderer. Sometimes there's no one to blame but the guy who killed 8 people.


She actually followed him to the scene of the crime...then called 911. It doesn't say whether it was before or after the shooting started.

She gets a misdemeanor. What about the bar he came from? Aren't they liable too?

Hope the bar has a big insurance policy. They're going to be paying out.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:01 pm ]
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GoldenJet wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
The article says she did call the cops, but it was too late. I don't know... seems like quite a burden to put on bartenders to make them determine who might be a potential murderer. Sometimes there's no one to blame but the guy who killed 8 people.


She actually followed him to the scene of the crime...then called 911. It doesn't say whether it was before or after the shooting started.

She gets a misdemeanor. What about the bar he came from? Aren't they liable too?

Hope the bar has a big insurance policy. They're going to be paying out.


That's who they're suing is the bar. I'm sure they'll get a payout, but I find that ridiculous to hold a bar responsible to any degree.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:09 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
The article says she did call the cops, but it was too late. I don't know... seems like quite a burden to put on bartenders to make them determine who might be a potential murderer. Sometimes there's no one to blame but the guy who killed 8 people.


She actually followed him to the scene of the crime...then called 911. It doesn't say whether it was before or after the shooting started.

She gets a misdemeanor. What about the bar he came from? Aren't they liable too?

Hope the bar has a big insurance policy. They're going to be paying out.


That's who they're suing is the bar. I'm sure they'll get a payout, but I find that ridiculous to hold a bar responsible to any degree.


I'm guessing he drove. She should have had the cops get him before leaving the parking lot.

I don't really have a problem with the bar sharing some responsibility.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:11 pm ]
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I mean they hold bars accountable when people leave and drive drunk right?

Author:  RFDC [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:15 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
I mean they hold bars accountable when people leave and drive drunk right?

that seems different to me. They can easily tell who is drunk and who shouldn't drive.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:19 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
I mean they hold bars accountable when people leave and drive drunk right?

that seems different to me. They can easily tell who is drunk and who shouldn't drive.


This guy was. 33. They knew him. She admitted he must have been drinking someplace else because he was hammered.

Author:  sinicalypse [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:20 pm ]
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The Code wrote:
"A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence sells an alcoholic beverage to an habitual drunkard or an intoxicated or insane person," according to the code.

It sounds like the text/s the bartender sent kind of lean towards the intoxicated person defimition, but how the hell are you going to be a judge of sanity? If they're not doing something egregiously ostentatious?

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:21 pm ]
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In a civil trial, they will have to show that drinking was a proximate cause of the murder. They might, but I just find it hard to say that alcohol caused a guy tj murder 8 people.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:22 pm ]
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sinicalypse wrote:
The Code wrote:
"A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence sells an alcoholic beverage to an habitual drunkard or an intoxicated or insane person," according to the code.

It sounds like the text/s the bartender sent kind of lean towards the intoxicated person defimition, but how the hell are you going to be a judge of sanity? If they're not doing something egregiously ostentatious?


Or habitual drunkard. That must be an old law. They are using some Wild West terminology.

Author:  chaspoppcap [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:32 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
The article says she did call the cops, but it was too late. I don't know... seems like quite a burden to put on bartenders to make them determine who might be a potential murderer. Sometimes there's no one to blame but the guy who killed 8 people.


She actually followed him to the scene of the crime...then called 911. It doesn't say whether it was before or after the shooting started.

She gets a misdemeanor. What about the bar he came from? Aren't they liable too?

Hope the bar has a big insurance policy. They're going to be paying out.


That's who they're suing is the bar. I'm sure they'll get a payout, but I find that ridiculous to hold a bar responsible to any degree.


MADD wants to do it for drunk drivers. In fact they tried to push to have all alcohol serving establishments have a breathalyzer on site and make patrons use it before leaving. If they blew past limit the place of business was responsible for them getting home.

Author:  Furious Styles [ Sun May 05, 2019 1:52 pm ]
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Reasonable expectation she shows her asshole on someone's birthday.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Sun May 05, 2019 2:09 pm ]
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I bet she cleans up well

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun May 05, 2019 2:34 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
I mean they hold bars accountable when people leave and drive drunk right?

that seems different to me. They can easily tell who is drunk and who shouldn't drive.


I don't disagree. But I can see where they'd use the same logic to sue the bar in this case.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Sun May 05, 2019 2:35 pm ]
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I’ve never had a bar stop me from driving home drunk.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun May 05, 2019 6:39 pm ]
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Jbi11s wrote:
I’ve never had a bar stop me from driving home drunk.


Me, either. I think holding the bars liable for driving is tough too. Can you imagine being a bartender at some of these larger places and determining who is fit to drive? They don't even know who the drinks are going to while they work their asses off. Not to mention the ones who would probably threaten you if they didn't get their requestes drink.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Sun May 05, 2019 7:04 pm ]
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Jbi11s wrote:
I’ve never had a bar stop me from driving home drunk.


I have. They sent me and the dog home in a cab. I don't really remember much.

Author:  Drunk Squirrel [ Sun May 05, 2019 7:09 pm ]
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I’ve had a server ask me how I was getting home once as it was a long evening drinking way to much at a conference but I was walking back to hotel so it wasn’t an issue. I’m usually borderline paranoid about DUI so I rarely will have more than two drinks if I’m going to be driving.

Author:  KDdidit [ Sun May 05, 2019 7:11 pm ]
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I have also never had a bartender stop me from driving home drunk :lol:

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun May 05, 2019 7:27 pm ]
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KDdidit wrote:
I have also never had a bartender stop me from driving home drunk :lol:


Way to drink, no drink!

Author:  IkeSouth [ Sun May 05, 2019 7:55 pm ]
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total bullshit. why dont we throw the city council in jail for not having proper mental health programs in place.

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