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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue May 14, 2019 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Tue May 14, 2019 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Is he a Cubs or a White Sox fan? |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue May 14, 2019 10:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Don Tiny wrote: Is he a Cubs or a White Sox fan? Die sox white fan. |
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| Author: | Cashman [ Wed May 15, 2019 5:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Depends, is he a psychopath that went on a murdering spree? If not, no. I believe in rehabilitation. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed May 15, 2019 5:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Life without parole in general seems to create a lot of problems in the prisons. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed May 15, 2019 6:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Douchebag wrote: Don Tiny wrote: Is he a Cubs or a White Sox fan? Die sox white fan. Are you ok? |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed May 15, 2019 6:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Life without parole in general seems to create a lot of problems in the prisons. Letting convicted crazy murderers run free creates problems for in society. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed May 15, 2019 6:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed May 15, 2019 7:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
....or its Churches. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed May 15, 2019 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
I've never been on board with the felony murder doctrine to begin with |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed May 15, 2019 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
pittmike wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Life without parole in general seems to create a lot of problems in the prisons. Letting convicted crazy murderers run free creates problems for in society. Yes, but without any hope for release why not just keep murdering inside the prison. Also, given our frequent mistakes in convictions, it seems like permanent punishment is compounding the problem. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed May 15, 2019 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: pittmike wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Life without parole in general seems to create a lot of problems in the prisons. Letting convicted crazy murderers run free creates problems for in society. Yes, but without any hope for release why not just keep murdering inside the prison. Also, given our frequent mistakes in convictions, it seems like permanent punishment is compounding the problem. Your second part is part of the corporal discussion. Life without parole can be fixed. "Some people you just can't Reach". I am no fan of charging juveniles as adults for anything really. And yes there should be a second chance for the young. Some young kill after their second or third chance. There has to be a way to "judge" this because there is no 100% right answer for every juvenile that kills. |
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| Author: | Juiced [ Wed May 15, 2019 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
SpiralStairs wrote: Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? When the people they kill can enter back into society; then we can look into re-writing this law. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed May 15, 2019 10:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Seacrest wrote: Douchebag wrote: Don Tiny wrote: Is he a Cubs or a White Sox fan? Die sox white fan. Are you ok? It's an old and oft-used Score drop, yutz ... for one thing, it was part of the Friday open for MANY years. |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Wed May 15, 2019 10:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
two intriguing cases that i always think about when it comes to "kids who killed": josh phillips and eric smith. phillips killed a childhood friend brutally, but it was because he was deathly afraid of his father. they were playing around and he accidentally hit a baseball that smacked her in the head. he was so scared that his dad would find out that they were playing (which wasn't allowed if the dad didn't know about it) that he tried to shut her up from screaming. he strangled her, and then stabbed her. he then hid her body under his waterbed for a week until his mom finally discovered it. he was 14. eric smith brutally killed and sodomized a 4-year-old when he was 12, as a result of being excessively bullied. he said when he killed the boy, he was only thinking about the bullies and that he picked the kid because he knew he'd be defenseless. both of these guys have maintained that they have remorse and have seen how horrible the murders were. they're both still under 40, and they probably won't ever get out of jail... the nature of their crimes is what is disturbing. who's to say that something snaps while they're out, and they kill someone again? it's something that i really can't answer. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed May 15, 2019 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Juiced wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? When the people they kill can enter back into society; then we can look into re-writing this law. Forgiveness is hard. But well worth the effort. |
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| Author: | Juiced [ Wed May 15, 2019 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Seacrest wrote: Juiced wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? When the people they kill can enter back into society; then we can look into re-writing this law. Forgiveness is hard. But well worth the effort. They can't forgive if they are dead. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed May 15, 2019 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Juiced wrote: Seacrest wrote: Juiced wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? When the people they kill can enter back into society; then we can look into re-writing this law. Forgiveness is hard. But well worth the effort. They can't forgive if they are dead. But society can. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed May 15, 2019 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
SpiralStairs wrote: Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? Depends . They white or black ? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed May 15, 2019 11:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Seacrest wrote: Juiced wrote: Seacrest wrote: Juiced wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? When the people they kill can enter back into society; then we can look into re-writing this law. Forgiveness is hard. But well worth the effort. They can't forgive if they are dead. But society can. |
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| Author: | Juiced [ Wed May 15, 2019 11:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Seacrest wrote: Juiced wrote: Seacrest wrote: Juiced wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? When the people they kill can enter back into society; then we can look into re-writing this law. Forgiveness is hard. But well worth the effort. They can't forgive if they are dead. But society can. Was society murdered? Society once wanted all Jews killed and slaves picking cotton in the back yard. Recently society voted Trump to be president. I wouldn't look to society for moral and ethical guidance. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed May 15, 2019 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Juiced wrote: Seacrest wrote: Juiced wrote: Seacrest wrote: Juiced wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? When the people they kill can enter back into society; then we can look into re-writing this law. Forgiveness is hard. But well worth the effort. They can't forgive if they are dead. But society can. Was society murdered? Society once wanted all Jews killed and slaves picking cotton in the back yard. Recently society voted Trump to be president. I wouldn't look to society for moral and ethical guidance. Dead people can't demand punishment either. Maybe we should just hug them and send them on their way? |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed May 15, 2019 11:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Juiced wrote: Was society murdered? Society once wanted all Jews killed and slaves picking cotton in the back yard. Recently society voted Trump to be president. I wouldn't look to society for moral and ethical guidance.  What about slavery, the Holocaust and Trump! Society sucks. |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Wed May 15, 2019 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Society is just what twitter says now, right? |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed May 15, 2019 11:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
badrogue17 wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? Depends . They white or black ? I already asked if they were a Cubs or White Sox fan. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Wed May 15, 2019 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
I think it should strike most people as odd that a person not "mature" enough to buy beer can still be charged as an adult. |
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| Author: | GoPackGo [ Wed May 15, 2019 1:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
SpiralStairs wrote: Should a 15 year old convicted under the felony murder rule in 1995 serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole? Or in whistler parlance: you ever been convicted to life in prisons when you were fucking 15? Yes. The person killed served a "life sentence without the possibility of parole". This isn't shoplifting, it's murder. 
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed May 15, 2019 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
SpiralStairs wrote: I think it should strike most people as odd that a person not "mature" enough to buy beer can still be charged as an adult. It should strike the opposite way. If you aren't mature enough to make a decision about beer, you can't be making a mature decision when you murder someone. |
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| Author: | Juiced [ Wed May 15, 2019 1:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
SpiralStairs wrote: I think it should strike most people as odd that a person not "mature" enough to buy beer can still be charged as an adult. The difference is the 15yr old doesn't go to jail for life if he steals a beer. If he murders the clerk WHILE stealing the beer then yes, they go to jail for life. |
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| Author: | Juiced [ Wed May 15, 2019 1:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life Without Parole for Juveniles? |
Seacrest wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: I think it should strike most people as odd that a person not "mature" enough to buy beer can still be charged as an adult. It should strike the opposite way. If you aren't mature enough to make a decision about beer, you can't be making a mature decision when you murder someone. GTFO of here. You have to be trolling.... 
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