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Author:  conns7901 [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:15 am ]
Post subject:  Email is too hard for high schoolers

Colleges need to start snap chatting admission info. :roll:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:20 am ]
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I weep for the youth.

Author:  Franky T [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:27 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
I weep for the youth.

It has really reached a pathetic level.

Author:  man of few opinions [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:28 am ]
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This is funny to me - I am currently going through this with my 18-year old son. This EXACT conversation. He has an email account but he never checks it or maintains it, and now he is doing all kinds of college admission stuff, and I have been telling him to keep an eye on his email account and he keeps coming back at me with this same bullshit argument that people his age dont use email blah blah blah. I explained to him that I can't remember the last time I sat and wrote a letter and put it in the mail, but I still check my mailbox for bills and important mail, I dont just ignore it because I dont write or receive letters. It is ridiculous. God only knows what kind of offers or info he is missing by not at least doing some basic email maintenance.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:32 am ]
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READS JUST FINE!

Author:  Tad Queasy [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:35 am ]
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Quote:
If students aren’t in the habit of sifting through their clogged accounts, they could be missing looming deadlines, to-do notices to complete their applications and announcements about financial aid, scholarships and awards.

“There has to be things that are falling through the cracks,” said Carly Oishi, director of financial capability for Ladder Up, a Chicago organization that provides financial advice. “If you’re applying to 10, 15, 20 schools, there’s no way that you’re going to get everything in, review every single thing, sign every single thing on time. There’s probably money being missed out on, applicants not being admitted, that kind of thing.”

Fitzgerald experienced that. She said she missed a deadline to apply for a scholarship because she did not see the email in time. It took several emails for her to realize that she’d been accepted into one of her top schools, Loyola University Chicago.

“I get distracted and I keep pressing delete, delete, delete,” Fitzgerald said. “Just last week, I got an email about financial aid and I deleted it because I wasn’t paying attention. But my mom also gets the emails and she asked me about it.”

This dynamic can be confounding for adults because teenagers typically are nimble with technology. But some say email aversion has less to do with mastering the mechanics of it and more to do with learning executive functioning skills they need for college and beyond.


I agree with the bolded part.

Good luck to Amber with keeping up with her schoolwork in college. Hopefully they treat them like the adults they are supposed to be and not like helpless toddlers.

Author:  Telegram Sam [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:39 am ]
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Can The Wisemen just add a "These Kids Today With Their Tik Toks and Their Snap Chats" section, so we can keep all this stuff together?

Author:  denisdman [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:42 am ]
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Telegram Sam wrote:
Can The Wisemen just at a "These Kids Today With Their Tik Toks and Their Snap Chats" section, so we can keep all this stuff together?


Image

Author:  Telegram Sam [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:44 am ]
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denisdman wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Can The Wisemen just at a "These Kids Today With Their Tik Toks and Their Snap Chats" section, so we can keep all this stuff together?


Image


Why is Robot Wilfred Brimley in Trump's foyer?

Author:  Seacrest [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:45 am ]
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Telegram Sam wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Can The Wisemen just at a "These Kids Today With Their Tik Toks and Their Snap Chats" section, so we can keep all this stuff together?


Image


Why is Robot Wilfred Brimley in Trump's foyer?


I think that's Burl Ives, but the same question applies.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:52 am ]
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Seacrest wrote:
I think that's Burl Ives
but the same question applies.
Seacrest throwin' down rhymes!

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:53 am ]
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And on the other end of the spectrum, I work with old farts who like to say "I'm old school, I don't use email" like that's an acceptable excuse in 2019 for missing important work emails.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:56 am ]
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So I have an unpopular opinion about this:

Email sucks and needs to be replaced. It served its purpose for a long time and served it well, but there are better platforms now and corporate/school/government communication models need to catch up.

Forward looking companies have already replaced email with slack and Yammer. There are other programs on the way/in beta phase. I sympathize with high school kids and younger because their world just doesn't include email, so maybe for us an example would be like being forced to use a fax machine to communicate when I've been using email my whole life. I imagine that's what it feels like for them - they communicate using far more efficient platforms so why are they forced to master dinosaur technology when they currently use much better tech.

https://www.inc.com/john-brandon/its-20 ... ction.html

Author:  Douchebag [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:58 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
And on the other end of the spectrum, I work with old farts who like to say "I'm old school, I don't use email" like that's an acceptable excuse in 2019 for missing important work emails.

I signed up for NextDoor earlier this year. It's basically facebook, but you only get to see people who post stuff from your area. That place is littered with old farts who have zero concept of how the internet or computers. Comments are made completely off-topic, people post about how they can't find their previous post, and other insane ramblings. It's like Bigfan created a couple hundred mults in my neighborhood.

If you're not on NextDoor, I would highly recommend it. It's sometimes more entertaining than this message board.

Author:  conns7901 [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:14 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
So I have an unpopular opinion about this:

Email sucks and needs to be replaced. It served its purpose for a long time and served it well, but there are better platforms now and corporate/school/government communication models need to catch up.

Forward looking companies have already replaced email with slack and Yammer. There are other programs on the way/in beta phase. I sympathize with high school kids and younger because their world just doesn't include email, so maybe for us an example would be like being forced to use a fax machine to communicate when I've been using email my whole life. I imagine that's what it feels like for them - they communicate using far more efficient platforms so why are they forced to master dinosaur technology when they currently use much better tech.

https://www.inc.com/john-brandon/its-20 ... ction.html


I didn't write or mail letters in high school but I still found a way to check the mail when I was applying for colleges.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:15 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
I signed up for NextDoor earlier this year. It's basically facebook, but you only get to see people who post stuff from your area. That place is littered with old farts who have zero concept of how the internet or computers. Comments are made completely off-topic, people post about how they can't find their previous post, and other insane ramblings. It's like Bigfan created a couple hundred mults in my neighborhood.
Do they have a neighborhood PIZZA RANKINGS thread set up?

Author:  Tad Queasy [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:17 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
And on the other end of the spectrum, I work with old farts who like to say "I'm old school, I don't use email" like that's an acceptable excuse in 2019 for missing important work emails.


That's every bit as stupid and depending what they missed/fucked up I'd think that would be grounds for termination.

How old are they?

One of my staff is 70 and has no problem with email or texting.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:18 pm ]
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conns7901 wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
So I have an unpopular opinion about this:

Email sucks and needs to be replaced. It served its purpose for a long time and served it well, but there are better platforms now and corporate/school/government communication models need to catch up.

Forward looking companies have already replaced email with slack and Yammer. There are other programs on the way/in beta phase. I sympathize with high school kids and younger because their world just doesn't include email, so maybe for us an example would be like being forced to use a fax machine to communicate when I've been using email my whole life. I imagine that's what it feels like for them - they communicate using far more efficient platforms so why are they forced to master dinosaur technology when they currently use much better tech.

https://www.inc.com/john-brandon/its-20 ... ction.html


I didn't write or mail letters in high school but I still found a way to check the mail when I was applying for colleges.


Email (virtual) is not the same as postage mail (physical). Not an apples to apples comparison.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:18 pm ]
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conns7901 wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
So I have an unpopular opinion about this:

Email sucks and needs to be replaced. It served its purpose for a long time and served it well, but there are better platforms now and corporate/school/government communication models need to catch up.

Forward looking companies have already replaced email with slack and Yammer. There are other programs on the way/in beta phase. I sympathize with high school kids and younger because their world just doesn't include email, so maybe for us an example would be like being forced to use a fax machine to communicate when I've been using email my whole life. I imagine that's what it feels like for them - they communicate using far more efficient platforms so why are they forced to master dinosaur technology when they currently use much better tech.

https://www.inc.com/john-brandon/its-20 ... ction.html


I didn't write or mail letters in high school but I still found a way to check the mail when I was applying for colleges.

Right. All due respect vegan but that's a load of horseshit. You're trying to make it sound like checking your email is some arduous task.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:19 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
So I have an unpopular opinion about this:

Email sucks and needs to be replaced. It served its purpose for a long time and served it well, but there are better platforms now and corporate/school/government communication models need to catch up.

Forward looking companies have already replaced email with slack and Yammer. There are other programs on the way/in beta phase. I sympathize with high school kids and younger because their world just doesn't include email, so maybe for us an example would be like being forced to use a fax machine to communicate when I've been using email my whole life. I imagine that's what it feels like for them - they communicate using far more efficient platforms so why are they forced to master dinosaur technology when they currently use much better tech.

https://www.inc.com/john-brandon/its-20 ... ction.html


I didn't write or mail letters in high school but I still found a way to check the mail when I was applying for colleges.


Email (virtual) is not the same as postage mail (physical). Not an apples to apples comparison.

Correct in that it's even easier and takes even less effort to check email :lol:

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:58 pm ]
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The party that is granting the wish is the one who gets to make the rules.

That is lost on the entitled.

Author:  billypootons [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:03 pm ]
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her high school life is so fucking busy she cant be bothered to sift through emails once a night for 10 minutes? seriously? god help me if my kids pull this crap

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:39 pm ]
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billypootons wrote:
her high school life is so fucking busy she cant be bothered to sift through emails once a night for 10 minutes? seriously? god help me if my kids pull this crap


They will

Author:  BigW72 [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:59 pm ]
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yep, my kids use email only when absolutely necessary. they hate it and don't use it.

In terms of family and social communication, I don't have an issue, but in terms of school and preparing for life after school...they need to get the fuck over it. IM tools are great at work and have replaced a lot of email, but often a paper trail is needed. For reference, and to cover your ass....they're gonna have to get over it fairly soon.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:01 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
So I have an unpopular opinion about this:

Email sucks and needs to be replaced. It served its purpose for a long time and served it well, but there are better platforms now and corporate/school/government communication models need to catch up.

Forward looking companies have already replaced email with slack and Yammer. There are other programs on the way/in beta phase. I sympathize with high school kids and younger because their world just doesn't include email, so maybe for us an example would be like being forced to use a fax machine to communicate when I've been using email my whole life. I imagine that's what it feels like for them - they communicate using far more efficient platforms so why are they forced to master dinosaur technology when they currently use much better tech.

https://www.inc.com/john-brandon/its-20 ... ction.html


I didn't write or mail letters in high school but I still found a way to check the mail when I was applying for colleges.

Right. All due respect vegan but that's a load of horseshit. You're trying to make it sound like checking your email is some arduous task.


It's less about the functionality and more about mindset. Personal example but might be maybe 70% reflective of what the HS'ers are going through:

I have about say seven apps I regularly use to communicate, all of which are either IM-based or social media. 100% of my communication between friends and family takes place on those apps. My personal email - which I used to use every second back in like 2005 - is largely defunct. I never use it except to read the occasional forward or when I'm networking/looking for a job. One time my old boss emailed me to let me know she's in town and wanted to grab coffee. She emailed me two weeks in advance. She followed up. I never saw it until like the day before she wanted to meet.

I think that's what HS'ers are going through - all their friends and family are using one or two or three of the like 12 comms apps they have on their phones. It's easy to forget email because 1) it's not one of those go-to 12 apps and 2) no one uses it. So it gets lost in the shuffle and then you might forget your password because you don't use it at all so there's that crap and just generally it gets annoying. I'm not saying that it's hard to check email but at the very least there's a fair amount of behavior change the HS'ers have to go through to incorporate email into their day-to-day, and that because comms has so radically changed since the time we all were in HS - changed to a degree where email isn't even a thing for them - we should cut them some slack. Email is basically the fax machine of the 2010s.

Author:  Hussra [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:03 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
I signed up for NextDoor earlier this year. It's basically facebook, but you only get to see people who post stuff from your area. That place is littered with old farts who have zero concept of how the internet or computers. Comments are made completely off-topic, people post about how they can't find their previous post, and other insane ramblings. It's like Bigfan created a couple hundred mults in my neighborhood.

If you're not on NextDoor, I would highly recommend it. It's sometimes more entertaining than this message board.


Sounds like a successor to the old Topix forums. The people who used to out their neighbors' meth labs on Topix moved over to Facebook.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:04 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
I'm not saying that it's hard to check email but at the very least there's a fair amount of behavior change the HS'ers have to go through to incorporate email into their day-to-day, and that because comms has so radically changed since the time we all were in HS - changed to a degree where email isn't even a thing for them - we should cut them some slack. Email is basically the fax machine of the 2010s.

See, I find this a ridiculous thing to say, particularly the underlined part. What you posted is simply wrong. The only behavior they need to change is to check email occasionally, like maybe once a day. This is not a significant behavior change, nor should any slack be given to a teenager too lazy to do it for something as important as college admissions.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:09 pm ]
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Also, as delany mentioned, email has specific purposes still that Slack can't cover. It's a pretty irresponsible business practice to send important documents and things of that nature just through Slack and not email.

Author:  Brick [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:09 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I'm not saying that it's hard to check email but at the very least there's a fair amount of behavior change the HS'ers have to go through to incorporate email into their day-to-day, and that because comms has so radically changed since the time we all were in HS - changed to a degree where email isn't even a thing for them - we should cut them some slack. Email is basically the fax machine of the 2010s.

See, I find this a ridiculous thing to say, particularly the underlined part. What you posted is simply wrong. The only behavior they need to change is to check email occasionally, like maybe once a day. This is not a significant behavior change, nor should any slack be given to a teenager too lazy to do it for something as important as college admissions.
It seems kind of strange to do anything drastically important over email though.

Why didn't you get into college X? Oh, I missed the email.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:11 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Also, as delany mentioned, email has specific purposes still that Slack can't cover. It's a pretty irresponsible business practice to send important documents and things of that nature just through Slack and not email.


That's true but companies are building in the "audit trail" element and sooner or later legal will have to come up with stuff to accord non-email communication the same status that email has in court. You can't be a comms company trying to outdo email (like Slack) and not factor that into your platform and business model.

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