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Bears Poll, who is responsible for the shit season?
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Author:  Darkside [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:44 pm ]
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Just vote. Pick two if you like. Let's dissect this bitch.
Changing votes enabled. Let's see if we can change nas mind on this deal.
Author:  Antarctica [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:05 pm ]
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Nagy is far and away number one. It's not even close to number two, really.

Of the players Charles Leno Jr. was the worst starter by a serious margin. Maybe one of the worst in the league. The amount of drives he killed with his stupid penalties and how horrible he was in the run game contributed to just as many losses as Bad Mitch did, and unlike (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky there was no late season redemption arc for Leno Jr.
Author:  Antarctica [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:08 pm ]
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I also think the Oakland game broke them for the middle third of the season and that playing in London contributed to their pathetic performance in that game. Now that's on Nagy for not having them prepared for the time zone change, but if they win that game I bet they also win the Chargers game and with the added heat the Kirk Cousins Vikings probably would've folded and the Bears would've had the six seed wrapped.

But again, the chief person to blame for that mid-season collapse is Matt Nagy.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:09 pm ]
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Helfrich was the problem
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:11 pm ]
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1. Nagy
2. Pace
3. Mitch
4. O-Line
5. Robert Chief
Author:  Rod [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:15 pm ]
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I blame Seacrest.
Author:  Nas [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:16 pm ]
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Nagy
Pace
Offensive line
TE
1st half and KC (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky
Montgomery
Miller
Defense in 4th or with a lead
Author:  Peoria Matt [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:18 pm ]
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Montgomery???
Author:  Nas [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:20 pm ]
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Peoria Matt wrote:
Montgomery???


He played better the 2nd half of the season but far too often he was running like he was in college earlier in the year. Too much dancing.
Author:  Peoria Matt [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:21 pm ]
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How does anyone have any idea on Montgomery? The Coach had no idea how to use him.
Author:  Antarctica [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:23 pm ]
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Those of you who are blaming Pace so much, more than anybody actually on the field, I'm curious as to why. I think overall he has done a pretty good job as general manager.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:23 pm ]
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Peoria Matt wrote:
How does anyone have any idea on Montgomery? The Coach had no idea how to use him.


Send him to Philadelphia to see how good he is.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:24 pm ]
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Antarctica wrote:
Those of you who are blaming Pace so much, more than anybody actually on the field, I'm curious as to why. I think overall he has done a pretty good job as general manager.


He picked Mitch number 2 overall and traded picks to do it.

That pick has to be a superstar QB.

Mitch isn't.
Author:  Peoria Matt [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:26 pm ]
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He hired Nagy.
He drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.
He put together the O line.
He waaay overdrafted Shaheen.
Leonard Floyd.

He assembled a good defense. That's about all he has to go on. Other than Allen Robinson
Author:  Nas [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:27 pm ]
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Peoria Matt wrote:
How does anyone have any idea on Montgomery? The Coach had no idea how to use him.


This is fair. There were times when I couldn't decide if it was him or the offensive line and coach. Mark Schlereth is a former offensive lineman but it appeared that someone (Possibly Nagy)fed him some talking points because he spent the entire game ripping the offensive line.
Author:  Antarctica [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:27 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
Those of you who are blaming Pace so much, more than anybody actually on the field, I'm curious as to why. I think overall he has done a pretty good job as general manager.


He picked Mitch number 2 overall and traded picks to do it.

That pick has to be a superstar QB.

Mitch isn't.

Aside from Mahomes there has not been a superstar quarterback drafted since Russell Wilson almost ten years ago. This is a complain you have to make for virtually every general manager in the league, yet Pace is very unfairly singled out for it.

I'm done blaming management for guys not doing their job. Its not Pace's fault Nagy sucks or Mitch has underperformed.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:28 pm ]
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Pace is at fault because:
1. Hired the idiot coach
2. Drafted the bad QB
3. Assembled the expensive and bad offensive line (zero depth)
4. No TEs
5. One WR (free agent) with rest being average or bad
6. RBs are bad
7. Wastes draft picks through bad selections or unnecessary trades
Author:  Brick [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:29 pm ]
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Don't forget Nagy not going for a closer game winning field goal. You never know what happens if they have better odds to make the playoffs.
Author:  Nas [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:30 pm ]
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Antarctica wrote:
Those of you who are blaming Pace so much, more than anybody actually on the field, I'm curious as to why. I think overall he has done a pretty good job as general manager.


He put together a great defense and turned a shit roster around but he has missed A LOT on offense and possibly the play caller.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:34 pm ]
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Antarctica wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
Those of you who are blaming Pace so much, more than anybody actually on the field, I'm curious as to why. I think overall he has done a pretty good job as general manager.


He picked Mitch number 2 overall and traded picks to do it.

That pick has to be a superstar QB.

Mitch isn't.

Aside from Mahomes there has not been a superstar quarterback drafted since Russell Wilson almost ten years ago. This is a complain you have to make for virtually every general manager in the league, yet Pace is very unfairly singled out for it.

I'm done blaming management for guys not doing their job. Its not Pace's fault Nagy sucks or Mitch has underperformed.


That's his signature pick and it's a failure so far.

Its fair to judge him solely on Mitch's performances IMO.

As an aside, I was rereading that draft thread earlier and everyone went nuts when Kansas City gave up 2 first round picks to get Mahomes. Some idiot even said that it made the Bears trade look better by comparison. :oops:
Author:  Peoria Matt [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:36 pm ]
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Antarctica wrote:
I'm done blaming management for guys not doing their job. Its not Pace's fault Nagy sucks or Mitch has underperformed.


Maybe they can't do their job because they aren't competent NFL players. And that's on the guy who brought them in.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:42 pm ]
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Antarctica wrote:
I'm done blaming management for guys not doing their job. Its not Pace's fault Nagy sucks or Mitch has underperformed.

Pace has been here 6 years with one playoff season.
Author:  Darkside [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:43 pm ]
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Antarctica wrote:

I'm done blaming management for guys not doing their job. Its not Pace's fault Nagy sucks or Mitch has underperformed.

Can you blame management for hiring guys who cannot do the job of being NFL caliber players?
Author:  Regular Reader [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:47 pm ]
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Bear fans, by overrating this team, first by accepting the goofy thoughts that preseason didn't matter and then deluding themselves when they went on the early bum of the week part of the schedule.

And then the lack of talent and playcalling ability on offense that everyone else saw.
Author:  Darkside [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:48 pm ]
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Regular Reader wrote:
Bear fans, by overrating this team, first by accepting the goofy thoughts that preseason didn't matter and then deluding themselves when they went on the early bum of the week part of the schedule.

And then the lack of talent and playcalling ability on offense that everyone else saw.

Woah doucherton, none of us thought the preseason didn't matter.
Author:  Douchebag [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:49 pm ]
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Other: I pick JeffGeorgeWorshipPodcast.
Author:  Antarctica [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:51 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
Pace is at fault because:
1. Hired the idiot coach
2. Drafted the bad QB
3. Assembled the expensive and bad offensive line (zero depth)
4. No TEs
5. One WR (free agent) with rest being average or bad
6. RBs are bad
7. Wastes draft picks through bad selections or unnecessary trades

1. The faults which have sunk Nagy could not have been apparent at the beginning. Nagy's stubborn refusal to adapt is not Pace's fault, its Nagy's.
2. The QB is not as bad as people think he is.
3. Leno and Massie were mistakes, no doubt. They both suck and they both get extended or brought back for the wrong reasons.
4. I dont know how you can foresee what happened to Burton. Seriously.
5. Miller is clearly a good WR and Robinson is an outright stud. I like Wims a lot and I am curious to see how Ridley comes along. Gabriel was good until the head injuries piled up, which again is not something you can reasonably predict or fault Pace for.
6. Not bad, just misued.
7. He drafts better than most of the league by any objective metric.
Author:  Regular Reader [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:54 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Bear fans, by overrating this team, first by accepting the goofy thoughts that preseason didn't matter and then deluding themselves when they went on the early bum of the week part of the schedule.

And then the lack of talent and playcalling ability on offense that everyone else saw.

Woah doucherton, none of us thought the preseason didn't matter.


Many around here seemed to iirc. And soured on it by week six or so.
Author:  Antarctica [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:54 pm ]
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Peoria Matt wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
I'm done blaming management for guys not doing their job. Its not Pace's fault Nagy sucks or Mitch has underperformed.


Maybe they can't do their job because they aren't competent NFL players. And that's on the guy who brought them in.

How about its the players fault for not performing or putting the work in.
Author:  Darkside [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:57 pm ]
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Regular Reader wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Bear fans, by overrating this team, first by accepting the goofy thoughts that preseason didn't matter and then deluding themselves when they went on the early bum of the week part of the schedule.

And then the lack of talent and playcalling ability on offense that everyone else saw.

Woah doucherton, none of us thought the preseason didn't matter.


Many around here seemed to iirc. And soured on it by week six or so.

Stay off the drugs man. It's not a good look for you.
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