Trumpets circling the wagons. It's always so cute.

Can you show me why he's labeled a racist instead of mudslinging? You're just calling names and attacking me. Why? I'm curious why he's called a racist. I don't want to associate with racists.

I'll get right on that. Anything else?

Tea, earl grey, hot.

It really started with the monkey gif. I suspect it was an innocent post, but it was insensitive. Of course anytime you consistently defend police and blame black victims, you’re going to be open to racial criticism. In reading through JLN’s posts on such matters, I think he is more even handed than some police defenders but still has a natural tilt towards defending police.

Does that mean he's a racist? Does it mean he should be called a racist every day?

Does that mean he's a racist? Does it mean he should be called a racist every day?

I see it referenced every single day but I never knew what exactly JLN said that was so racist that he's been permanently labeled a racist.
Can someone direct me to the exact quotes that made him a bigot or a racist?

MOST posters here are reticent to go after black posters because they don't wasnt to be labeled a racist.

This is a big fucking problem. And it's caused by this

The race hustle act is yours. You have been granted a license to employ it here. Enjoy.

A few things.

I don’t throw around the word racist very often, and if I do, it is usually about an action or comment and not directed at an individual. I think prejudiced more appropriately describes some white people. There are very few that actually believe whites are superior to other races.

As for JLN, I met him once, and we got along fine. I think he is a decent person. But he does a lot of needless arguing around this place, which is well within his rights. So the criticism he gets is somewhat self inflicted. No part of me believes he is a racist.

I sit back and read all the back and forth and try to stay neutral. But if I was a person of color posting on here, I would feel under constant assault by certain folks. As if people on here need to call out every ill that plagues minority communities. It is the same disdain I have for people that say silent whites are complicit. As if I (or you) are some single entity with the rest of white America.

and what's this about him taking and/or giving it in the moon

You're not wrong denis. But that is one of the very things that has changed about this place, and not for the better in my opinion. I'm not saying that discussions about police or race or inequality should NOT take place, but this used to be a place where people could go to avoid such conversation. Sure those issues would come up every so often, but they were relatively few and far between. Over the last four five maybe six years it seems that people are coming here only to discuss those things. Sports with many regular posters are just an afterthought or a sidebar.

If you look at the entirety of his history here you will see that he has a particular hard on for black posters. When Nas was Administrator he repeatedly went after him for decisions that he wasn't responsible for.

I go after him so whatever comes with that is fair game but Nas avoided him and he still attacked him. That isn't a guy that "respectfully disagreed" with him.

This is a cute lie you like to tell because it technically can't be disproven, which is to say that you'll never admit that it has been disproven. And when you get called on it, you'll just restate the lie in a slightly different way, and still offer absolutely no proof. There IS proof, however, that I've gone multiple rounds multiple times with BMac, Caller Bob, FavreFan, BRick (all the time!), Kirkwood, GoldenJet and so on.

This is another lie. It is well documented that I went just as hard against all three wisemen at various times. You have absolutely no proof that I went after Nas because of the color of his skin. Want to know why? Because there is no such proof, because I didn't do it.

You also claimed that the reluctance of people to go after black posters was a "big fucking problem" which is textbook racism.

Again, I said it was a big problem that critique of posters were being quelled because any critique of those posters was labeled as racism.

For calling everyone in the vaunted NBA section that disagreed with him on anything an idiot or stupid and then thinking he could slide this little tidbit by us:


This dude has been promoting himself as some sort of authority on the league for the better part of a year and it turns out that he only really started watching once Lonzo Ball's bum ass entered it.

Is there any surprise that LTG would take particular issue with Shakes?

There is no doubt that he is a bigot and his actions speak a lot louder than his words. He has always tried to be careful with his words because he is scared as hell of being doxxed.

He is not scared of being doxxed. He had a podcast (good one) with his name on it that he posted about on this board.

He is not scared of being doxxed. He had a podcast (good one) with his name on it that he posted about on this board.

Interesting that the first name you could pull to try to demean someone has the surname "Horowitz". Very interesting indeed.

I said he was a bigot, I said he posted "bigoted shit", and I said his banning was warranted. You're being completely unreasonable, and I'm done engaging with you on this topic because you seem hell-bent on constantly moving the goalposts, because now, what is it, I have to find me calling out a specific brand of bigotry from a specific set of posters? Nah, I'm good. Fuck you.

What you've quoted here does not imply in any way that I thought America shouldn't have been banned. In fact the only words I've spoken about whether he should've been banned were unequivocally in support of the banning.
You can continue to lie about it if you want to, but that's the truth, and you know it.

Again, there's a blatant disparity in how you allowed the alleged MANY who clamored for the ousting of Toxic and America to police the board, and how you told me to police the board. With me, your "support" (for lack of a better phrase) stopped short of using your powers to punish those who had doxxed Chas, you and Nas said as much specifically. But now, those alleged MANY can not only shame and ridicule the likes of Toxic and America for their actions on the board, but also co-opt your admin powers to get them punished.

If admin powers are up for auction, I'll throw in a bid. A nice, non-Kirkland brand scotch, perhaps?

Oh FFS, just screw each other already.

Another pass on his lying bullshit. No shock there by the way.

I'm criticizing both of you.