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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | atomic conciousness |
i was thinking about consciousness. i tend to think about everything on an atomic level... in chemistry you learn that basically everything is made of about 100 different kinds of atoms arranged in specific arrangements. so if you took an atom scanner and recorded the exact position and link in relation to all your atoms, you could create a perfect clone of yourself, instantly. but what would happen then? would it just be a physical copy of you and start rotting immediately? it seems like your involuntary actions like breathing and energy production would happen because they are just byproducts of cells doing their thing... which dont rely on your brain to function. but at that point, do cells operate because chemical reactions or do they actually have consciousness too? or your copy just starts living... its aware, it knows its a copy (because you made it and it has your memories), and you both just start separate lives at that moment. do you have odd pms episodes like twins can finish eachothers sentences? i guess theres a chance it just starts living without having any memories, so it acts like a baby.. but it really can't be like that because at some point your memories are just specific arrangements of elements on the periodic chart. i guess im just convinced we are nothing but an arrangement of atoms. but then its weird that we have self reflection and spiritual stuff in our minds. it also could be that we just think we do but to an outside observer were nothing more than programmed robots in their video game. anyway companies across the country are seriously considering forced vaccinations... clearly whatever life is isn't real. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Ill have whatever Ike is having... |
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| Author: | Ron Wolfley [ Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
It's a video game but the game wasn't designed for us. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
I think the clone would both love and hate the original. It would eventually look to kill the original in order to live the original's life. I don't think you have to be religious to understand that there is something more that we don't really understand that makes you singular. I would guess that the same person with identical lived experiences would not end up the same as you (of course, that person would almost immediately deviate from an identical track). This seems consistent with quantum ideas about multiverses. We are, essentially, all the same identically. It's like a well known recipe that you have cooked hundreds of times but tastes just a bit different with each session. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Enjoy. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ll/480750/ |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
I don't see how it would have my memories. You are much of who you are thru lived experiences, beliefs, motivations, etc. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Spaulding wrote: I don't see how it would have my memories. You are much of who you are thru lived experiences, beliefs, motivations, etc. why wouldn't it? your memories at some point on a cellular or atomic level are just patterns of matter. it's not like memories are streamed to your head from a galactic cloud... or at least it we dont think they are. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
SpiralStairs wrote: i would believe there is no free will because i also believe this is a simulation. if we are a computer, we can't have free will. that why we haven't figured out how to make "true" AI. programming free will isn't possible, and we don't have the technology to put the complexity needed that would give the appearance of free will like we have in ourselves. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
If we are computers then who designed us? |
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| Author: | HawaiiYou [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Think Tank material |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
IkeSouth wrote: why wouldn't it? your memories at some point on a cellular or atomic level are just patterns of matter. it's not like memories are streamed to your head from a galactic cloud... or at least it we dont think they are. Memories aren't atomic like an atom I don't think. https://www.wired.co.uk/article/how-mem ... ork-brains https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-memory-2795006 Water is 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen. If you froze water from Lake Michigan, and stuck one ice cube in the South Pole and one in Hawaii you'd have 2 different results and neither would have a memory of Lake Michigan but both are still made of 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
thats fine. now take a mixture of different kinds of atoms. doesnt matter the state their in, theyre making up the physical structure that memories are being recorded to. at some point it has to be a physical thing, or it cant exist. it could be memories are actually sub-atomic particle structure, of be a combination of both.. in which case you would also need an exact clone of the physical properties of each atom in your body and that seems like it would be way harder to pull off. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Schrodinger believed there are undiscovered physics that created life in the universe. The same physics that made the universe prone to life in the first place. Science will one day meet the creator(undiscovered physics) or at least discover there is a creator. Whether the universe be a simulation or real. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Nardi wrote: Schrodinger believed there are undiscovered physics that created life in the universe. The same physics that made the universe prone to life in the first place. Science will one day meet the creator or at least discover there is a creator. Whether the universe be a simulation or real. A simulation of what? Even if we're only programmed to think we exist, the fact we believe we exist means whatever we are experiencing is real. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
SpiralStairs wrote: Nardi wrote: Schrodinger believed there are undiscovered physics that created life in the universe. The same physics that made the universe prone to life in the first place. Science will one day meet the creator or at least discover there is a creator. Whether the universe be a simulation or real. A simulation of what? Even if we're only programmed to think we exist, the fact we believe we exist means whatever we are experiencing is real. Real to us. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
This is a tree falls in the woods type issue. If you don't know your life is a simulation then it's not a simulation. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
SpiralStairs wrote: This is a tree falls in the woods type issue. If you don't know your life is a simulation then it's not a simulation. If it's a simulation, it's a simulation. Who cares if you don't know it. Money isn't real. It's a belief system |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
But if you aren't aware that everyting is smoke and mirrors and can never be made aware of that, then it doesn't matter. What's real to you is what's real because you have no way of knowing otherwise. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Just the fact that time is quantifiable and it changes based on relation between two items is just flat out weird. And we cant see it, it has no apparent physical properties, but we know its real because we see how it effects matter. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
IkeSouth wrote: Just the fact that time is quantifiable and it changes based on relation between two items is just flat out weird. At least it's mathematically definable. The quantum field...Now, that's weird. |
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| Author: | Warren Newson [ Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Nardi wrote: IkeSouth wrote: Just the fact that time is quantifiable and it changes based on relation between two items is just flat out weird. At least it's mathematically definable. The quantum field...Now, that's weird. The actual truth of theoretical physics is so much more interesting than any of the stories told by organized religion. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Warren Newson wrote: Nardi wrote: IkeSouth wrote: Just the fact that time is quantifiable and it changes based on relation between two items is just flat out weird. At least it's mathematically definable. The quantum field...Now, that's weird. The actual truth of theoretical physics is so much more interesting than any of the stories told by organized religion. I dunno, the Bible has some true bangers. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Warren Newson wrote: Nardi wrote: IkeSouth wrote: Just the fact that time is quantifiable and it changes based on relation between two items is just flat out weird. At least it's mathematically definable. The quantum field...Now, that's weird. The actual truth of theoretical physics is so much more interesting than any of the stories told by organized religion. It's "infinitely" interesting. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
the more you learn about the physical universe and quantum mechanics, it seems like anything you can think of is actually plausible. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
IkeSouth wrote: the more you learn about the physical universe and quantum mechanics, it seems like anything you can think of is actually plausible. Yep. Anything. |
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| Author: | Warren Newson [ Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
SpiralStairs wrote: Warren Newson wrote: Nardi wrote: IkeSouth wrote: Just the fact that time is quantifiable and it changes based on relation between two items is just flat out weird. At least it's mathematically definable. The quantum field...Now, that's weird. The actual truth of theoretical physics is so much more interesting than any of the stories told by organized religion. I dunno, the Bible has some true bangers. The teachings of theoretical physics have the virtue of being true, or at least as true as we know at the present time. While I'm about as far from a Biblical scholar as you can get, I always thought Biblical stories were supposed to teach a lesson more than provide a journalistic account of something that actually happened. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
it was written like an old school disney book. and then yea, everyone was so fucking stupid they took it as literal fact. and then everyone never evolved so 2000 years later we still think its fact, because were so fuckin stupid. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
Warren Newson wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Warren Newson wrote: Nardi wrote: IkeSouth wrote: Just the fact that time is quantifiable and it changes based on relation between two items is just flat out weird. At least it's mathematically definable. The quantum field...Now, that's weird. The actual truth of theoretical physics is so much more interesting than any of the stories told by organized religion. I dunno, the Bible has some true bangers. The teachings of theoretical physics have the virtue of being true, or at least as true as we know at the present time. While I'm about as far from a Biblical scholar as you can get, I always thought Biblical stories were supposed to teach a lesson more than provide a journalistic account of something that actually happened. If theoretical physics is true why don't they call it "true physics"? |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
SpiralStairs wrote: Warren Newson wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Warren Newson wrote: Nardi wrote: IkeSouth wrote: Just the fact that time is quantifiable and it changes based on relation between two items is just flat out weird. At least it's mathematically definable. The quantum field...Now, that's weird. The actual truth of theoretical physics is so much more interesting than any of the stories told by organized religion. I dunno, the Bible has some true bangers. The teachings of theoretical physics have the virtue of being true, or at least as true as we know at the present time. While I'm about as far from a Biblical scholar as you can get, I always thought Biblical stories were supposed to teach a lesson more than provide a journalistic account of something that actually happened. If theoretical physics is true why don't they call it "true physics"? Can't exactly call the hare-brained multiverse theory true. It was made up out of whole cloth just as a reply to the more sensible creator theory. |
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| Author: | Warren Newson [ Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: atomic conciousness |
SpiralStairs wrote: Warren Newson wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Warren Newson wrote: Nardi wrote: IkeSouth wrote: Just the fact that time is quantifiable and it changes based on relation between two items is just flat out weird. At least it's mathematically definable. The quantum field...Now, that's weird. The actual truth of theoretical physics is so much more interesting than any of the stories told by organized religion. I dunno, the Bible has some true bangers. The teachings of theoretical physics have the virtue of being true, or at least as true as we know at the present time. While I'm about as far from a Biblical scholar as you can get, I always thought Biblical stories were supposed to teach a lesson more than provide a journalistic account of something that actually happened. If theoretical physics is true why don't they call it "true physics"? I'm using "theoretical physics" as a catch-all term for the more mind bending aspects of physics. For instance, Einstein's ideas and quantum mechanics seem to have exited the realm of true theory and have moved into the realm of simply being physics. On the other hand, you have string theory which has not been adequately tested and is still pretty much an academic theory. |
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