pittmike wrote:
Probably more comprised by less people attending and more importantly even less giving money.
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| Author: | thomas [ Tue May 11, 2021 8:52 pm ] |
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I'm not even religious--I wish I were--but it sucks seeing the world you grew up knowing simply dissolve. I'm sure I'll get a ton of potshots here from the disaffected crowd, but whatever. I have no idea if people lack the feeling of being part of a community, but it's a good thing. The Sun-Times wrote: On the Southwest Side, St. Bede the Venerable and St. Denis will be joined to form a new parish, with a new name still to be determined.
The churches will maintain a regular Mass schedule that might differ from their current schedules. And St. Thomas More parish will become a canonical mission, connected to the newly formed parish of St. Bede and St. Denis. The changes — to take into effect by July 1 — are part of the archdiocese’s Renew My Church restructuring plan. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Tue May 11, 2021 8:55 pm ] |
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the world you grew up in didn't know kids were being diddled in that building |
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| Author: | thomas [ Tue May 11, 2021 9:02 pm ] |
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IkeSouth wrote: the world you grew up in didn't know kids were being diddled in that building So here's about the kind of response I expected....ah, the fucking morons of CFMB! |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue May 11, 2021 9:13 pm ] |
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I recall playing St Bede and Tommy More in grammar school sports. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue May 11, 2021 9:16 pm ] |
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The Archdioese has been compromised by the radical left. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue May 11, 2021 9:23 pm ] |
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Probably more comprised by less people attending and more importantly even less giving money. |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Tue May 11, 2021 9:46 pm ] |
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pittmike wrote: Probably more comprised by less people attending and more importantly even less giving money.
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| Author: | FrankDrebin [ Tue May 11, 2021 11:07 pm ] |
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pittmike wrote: Probably more comprised by less people attending and more importantly even less giving money. Yes it is. Neighborhood is also experiencing more gang violence in recent years. |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Tue May 11, 2021 11:19 pm ] |
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pittmike wrote: I recall playing St Bede and Tommy More in grammar school sports. Yup. St. Denis, too. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed May 12, 2021 7:05 am ] |
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Tad Queasy wrote: pittmike wrote: I recall playing St Bede and Tommy More in grammar school sports. Yup. St. Denis, too. St. Denis isn’t having financial issues though. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Wed May 12, 2021 7:43 am ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: Tad Queasy wrote: pittmike wrote: I recall playing St Bede and Tommy More in grammar school sports. Yup. St. Denis, too. St. Denis isn’t having financial issues though. But the St. part is hotly debated. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed May 12, 2021 8:04 am ] |
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thomas wrote: IkeSouth wrote: the world you grew up in didn't know kids were being diddled in that building So here's about the kind of response I expected....ah, the fucking morons of CFMB! The comment Ike made is not moronic, and definitely has merit. That behavior happened, at St Bede's. https://chicago.suntimes.com/2016/6/24/ ... rchdiocese The sense of community you felt was not shared by everyone else. And it's part of the reason the churches are being consolidated. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed May 12, 2021 8:14 am ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: Tad Queasy wrote: pittmike wrote: I recall playing St Bede and Tommy More in grammar school sports. Yup. St. Denis, too. St. Denis isn’t having financial issues though. Different St. Deni$ |
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| Author: | DAC [ Wed May 12, 2021 8:24 am ] |
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538 recently had a podcast discussing how for the first time the number of religious unaffiliated citizens outnumber people that identify with a church. Great discussion. |
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| Author: | DAC [ Wed May 12, 2021 8:26 am ] |
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Caller Bob wrote: The Archdioese has been compromised by the radical left. I would put more of the blame on the pedophile priests, the subsequent cover-up, and the racist right. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 am ] |
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DAC wrote: Caller Bob wrote: The Archdioese has been compromised by the radical left. I would put more of the blame on the pedophile priests, the subsequent cover-up, and the racist right. You can draw a direct line from the liberalization of the seminaries to those first two items. There are conspiracy theories regarding the decline supported by facts. However participatory religious decline seems to mirror secular institutional participation decline. Thomas talks about community. Church was certainly one community growing up in the 70s. An array of ethnic organizations were very popular and provided community as well. There were all kinds of clubs in the neighborhood depending on your interest. It didn't exist in my neighborhood but the corner bar also provided community. I think people feel alone out there. You see how readily they jump at causes because they want to feel a part of something. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed May 12, 2021 8:54 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: DAC wrote: Caller Bob wrote: The Archdioese has been compromised by the radical left. I would put more of the blame on the pedophile priests, the subsequent cover-up, and the racist right. You can draw a direct line from the liberalization of the seminaries to those first two items. There are conspiracy theories regarding the decline supported by facts. However participatory religious decline seems to mirror secular institutional participation decline. Thomas talks about community. Church was certainly one community growing up in the 70s. An array of ethnic organizations were very popular and provided community as well. There were all kinds of clubs in the neighborhood depending on your interest. It didn't exist in my neighborhood but the corner bar also provided community. I think people feel alone out there. You see how readily they jump at causes because they want to feel a part of something. Jump to causes they don't even understand, or check the bona fides of. Fear and loneliness are the two most prevalent emotions I run come daily all across the country. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed May 12, 2021 9:04 am ] |
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Seacrest wrote: thomas wrote: IkeSouth wrote: the world you grew up in didn't know kids were being diddled in that building So here's about the kind of response I expected....ah, the fucking morons of CFMB! The comment Ike made is not moronic, and definitely has merit. That behavior happened, at St Bede's. https://chicago.suntimes.com/2016/6/24/ ... rchdiocese The sense of community you felt was not shared by everyone else. And it's part of the reason the churches are being consolidated. Actually the pastor when I was at St. Denis raped one of my classmates when he was in junior high. The guy ended up committing suicide a few years back. No idea what happened to the priest. Father Mayday at St. Bede's baptized most of my friends. Then you had the pastor in the late 90s at St. Bede who got caught stealing over a million after he was busted with a hooker. Neighborhood change has played a big part in the closing of schools and churches. However, looking at the drop in enrollment of Queen of Martyrs and St. Christina makes me think it was only a matter of time even if those neighborhoods were the same as they were in 1990. |
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| Author: | Drunk Squirrel [ Wed May 12, 2021 11:48 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: DAC wrote: Caller Bob wrote: The Archdioese has been compromised by the radical left. I would put more of the blame on the pedophile priests, the subsequent cover-up, and the racist right. You can draw a direct line from the liberalization of the seminaries to those first two items. There are conspiracy theories regarding the decline supported by facts. However participatory religious decline seems to mirror secular institutional participation decline. Thomas talks about community. Church was certainly one community growing up in the 70s. An array of ethnic organizations were very popular and provided community as well. There were all kinds of clubs in the neighborhood depending on your interest. It didn't exist in my neighborhood but the corner bar also provided community. I think people feel alone out there. You see how readily they jump at causes because they want to feel a part of something. How fluid are the neighborhoods? Growing up in the burbs people came and went (Although my particular one was a bit more stable) but my class from high school is scattered across the country and many of their parents have moved on to the point that they have very little reason to even visit the area unless business brings them in. My brother moved out east in 19 and its a bit weird being scattered like that, he told me the same when I was out in Montana. Anyways, when I moved out here there was more continuity between generations and it seems as more of a community. But as the farms grow and the jobs left you see the younger generations not sticking around at all as there really is no reason too. I think losing those family ties, along with community (Be it a job, church or the immigrant societies that were out here) does lend to isolation. I say that as someone who is kind of in place that is between where I grew up and where I live now. I can be here till I'm 83, which would be about 3/4 of my life but will if ever be home? I don't know. Shared experiences are binders and they seem to be dwindling. Now.. Get off my lawn. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed May 12, 2021 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Change is Sad |
It's good to see people researching if religion is for them or not and choosing the option that works best for them. Thanks for the good news tommy! |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Wed May 12, 2021 3:07 pm ] |
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| Author: | HawaiiYou [ Wed May 12, 2021 3:37 pm ] |
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what a fucking depressing thread. child rape and suicide .... great way to start out the day fellas! |
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