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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Ethical Cage Match |
Two standards enter. One standard leaves. Who has the edge? |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
I'm going to try to make to references here: Dr. Melfi's ex-husband and on-again-off-again boyfriend decried psychotherapy's "cheesy" use of moral relativism as he (and we) saw Melfi trying to rationalize Tony's obvious antisocial behavior. So it seems like absolutism can be useful. But really, whichever one allows for more windmill dunks on whomever is deemed "immoral". |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
Moral relativism is an intellectualized oxymoron. Absolutism for the win. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
This Ends in Antioch wrote: Moral relativism is an intellectualized oxymoron. Absolutism for the win. RIP to your starving family even though theres a broken down bread truck outside your house. |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
SpiralStairs wrote: This Ends in Antioch wrote: Moral relativism is an intellectualized oxymoron. Absolutism for the win. RIP to your starving family even though theres a broken down bread truck outside your house. That’s ethics, friend. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
Zuh? |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
SpiralStairs wrote: Zuh? Morals - what’s right & wrong. Ethics - how do you use your understanding of right & wrong to inform your decisions. I can understand it’s wrong to steal your broke down bread, but I can do it anyway with an understanding I’m serving a greater good of feeding hungry people. Morally wrong; ethically kosher. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
Stealing is morally wrong in all circumstances. Unless you are a namby-pamby moral relativist. |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
SpiralStairs wrote: Stealing is morally wrong in all circumstances. Unless you are a namby-pamby moral relativist. Yes. But it can be ethical depending on the situation. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
Well that doesn't sound very absolute at all. |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
SpiralStairs wrote: Well that doesn't sound very absolute at all. I’m not a proponent of ethical absolutism if you’d like to create a second poll. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
If your moral belief is that stealing is wrong under all under all circumstances and you steal, how are you not acting in opposition to your moral beliefs? |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
SpiralStairs wrote: If you moral belief is that stealing is wrong under all under all circumstances and you steal, how are you not acting in opposition to your moral beliefs? I’m not saying that you are. Most people have done things they understand to be wrong. Ethics, to paraphrase Oscar Martinez, are best tested with competing concepts of the good. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
If your moral belief is that all stealing is wrong and you still steal, then it's possible that your morals are not as absolute as you think they are. I am willing to accept that might be misunderstanding these concepts. |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
SpiralStairs wrote: If your moral belief is that all stealing is wrong and you still steal, then it's possible that your morals are not as absolute as you think they are. I am willing to accept that might be misunderstanding these concepts. The moral viewpoint is what’s right & wrong. The ethical consideration is ranking two competing rights. In your bread example, I steal the food for my family. I know that morally, stealing is unacceptable. But ethically, allowing my family to starve given an alternative is more unacceptable than stealing. I’ll understand my theft to be wrong, but I’ll wear that wrong in service of a greater good. As some nerd from Game of Thrones once said, there is no creature on earth half so terrifying as a truly just man. That truly just man is a guy who can’t bring himself to do something he knows is wrong. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
This Ends in Antioch wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Stealing is morally wrong in all circumstances. Unless you are a namby-pamby moral relativist. Yes. But it can be ethical depending on the situation. Is it stealing to take food if you are starving? |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
Seacrest wrote: This Ends in Antioch wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Stealing is morally wrong in all circumstances. Unless you are a namby-pamby moral relativist. Yes. But it can be ethical depending on the situation. Is it stealing to take food if you are starving? Yes |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
A couple fuckin' homos in this thread. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
Nardi wrote: A couple fuckin' homos in this thread. An now you're here |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
Someone has to add some testosterone to this badminton match. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
I sure hope that person shows up |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
Seacrest wrote: This Ends in Antioch wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Stealing is morally wrong in all circumstances. Unless you are a namby-pamby moral relativist. Yes. But it can be ethical depending on the situation. Is it stealing to take food if you are starving? If words mean something, yes. |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
SpiralStairs wrote: Nardi wrote: A couple fuckin' homos in this thread. An now you're here I thought he was referring to himself and another. Good odds it’s either you or me, but now that we know his proclivities it may be a complement. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
SpiralStairs wrote: Seacrest wrote: This Ends in Antioch wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Stealing is morally wrong in all circumstances. Unless you are a namby-pamby moral relativist. Yes. But it can be ethical depending on the situation. Is it stealing to take food if you are starving? Yes Do you believe that people have the right to food? |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ethical Cage Match |
Under the proper circumstances |
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