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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Condo Association Question |
My apartment is in a building that has 24 three-bedroom units, 48 two-bedroom units, 48 one-bedroom units and 48 studios. I own a three bedroom unit. The three-bedroom unit owners have more votes than the two-bedroom owners who have more votes than the one-bedroom owners and so on. But some of the Orthodox families with a lot of children are trying to change the rules so the votes are based upon how many people live in each unit. Am I wrong for objecting? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: There is no such thing as a "popular vote."
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
I assume votes are structured that way based on how much each unit is valued (with three units costing more)? Or maybe the three unit spaces collectively take up more real estate. I don't know. I also feel like this post is trying to open up a larger electoral college vs popular vote debate so maybe I should just cease commenting until I see which side is winning. |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Have you tried disenfranchising the Orthodox? |
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| Author: | T-Bone [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Move |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Votes by number of guns. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Go to the next board meeting and enter by breaking a window and climbing through. Make sure you have pepper spray, zip ties, and a mock Gallows pole as well. Also, bring a camera so you can claim to be just a tourist taking a selfie. |
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| Author: | T-Bone [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Honestly, the way the rules appear to be drawn up as described in your first post make the most sense. It should have zero bearing on the situation how many people are living there. Is there something in particular a higher head count and more votes would allow a group to change at the condo? |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
None of you should have voting rights since you’re not landowners. I’m sure that was the condo bylaw writer’s intent. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: My apartment is in a building that has 24 three-bedroom units, 48 two-bedroom units, 48 one-bedroom units and 48 studios. I own a three bedroom unit. The three-bedroom unit owners have more votes than the two-bedroom owners who have more votes than the one-bedroom owners and so on. But some of the Orthodox families with a lot of children are trying to change the rules so the votes are based upon how many people live in each unit. Am I wrong for objecting? Why are they wanting to change the rules? What are they wanting to accomplish? |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: My apartment is in a building that has 24 three-bedroom units, 48 two-bedroom units, 48 one-bedroom units and 48 studios. I own a three bedroom unit. The three-bedroom unit owners have more votes than the two-bedroom owners who have more votes than the one-bedroom owners and so on. But some of the Orthodox families with a lot of children are trying to change the rules so the votes are based upon how many people live in each unit. Am I wrong for objecting? Why are they wanting to change the rules? What are they wanting to accomplish? Most of the Orthodox Jews live on the side of the building that faces California. They think it's undemocratic that my wife and I get as many or more votes than they do when they have 5-10 people in their apartments and we only have two. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
RFDC wrote: Why are they wanting to change the rules? What are they wanting to accomplish? No one is changing the rules. JOrr wants to use this thread to play GOTCHA with regard to the Electoral College.
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
KDdidit wrote: None of you should have voting rights since you’re not landowners. I’m sure that was the condo bylaw writer’s intent. you joke, but you actually are speaking truth. A condo owner doesn't own land |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: My apartment is in a building that has 24 three-bedroom units, 48 two-bedroom units, 48 one-bedroom units and 48 studios. I own a three bedroom unit. The three-bedroom unit owners have more votes than the two-bedroom owners who have more votes than the one-bedroom owners and so on. But some of the Orthodox families with a lot of children are trying to change the rules so the votes are based upon how many people live in each unit. Am I wrong for objecting? Why are they wanting to change the rules? What are they wanting to accomplish? Most of the Orthodox Jews live on the side of the building that faces California. They think it's undemocratic that my wife and I get as many or more votes than they do when they have 5-10 people in their apartments and we only have two. I believe the state statute requires percentage ownership based on square footage. I don't know if I'm remembering correctly. It might be original asking price (under the theory that not all equal unit sizes are equal in stake) The HOA attorney certainly knows. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
As a thinly veiled satirical post about the electoral college, I must applaud the effort. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Of course you should object. The number of people living there has no bearing on the votes. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
denisdman wrote: Of course you should object. The number of people living there has no bearing on the votes. Correct. It is a Representative Condo. Not a democracy. |
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| Author: | One Post [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: My apartment is in a building that has 24 three-bedroom units, 48 two-bedroom units, 48 one-bedroom units and 48 studios. I own a three bedroom unit. The three-bedroom unit owners have more votes than the two-bedroom owners who have more votes than the one-bedroom owners and so on. But some of the Orthodox families with a lot of children are trying to change the rules so the votes are based upon how many people live in each unit. Am I wrong for objecting? Why are they wanting to change the rules? What are they wanting to accomplish? Most of the Orthodox Jews live on the side of the building that faces California. They think it's undemocratic that my wife and I get as many or more votes than they do when they have 5-10 people in their apartments and we only have two. I believe the state statute requires percentage ownership based on square footage. I don't know if I'm remembering correctly. The HOA attorney certainly knows. I'll defer to you on Illinois Civil law, but certainly from a policy perspective it makes sense. If the building is going to have a special assessment for a communal need (roof, plumbing, etc.) they are going to assess the owners based on square footage, so it only makes sense that the owners who will most bear the burden of a vote to enact an assessment should have more voting power. Tell your neighbors that if they will make assessments for projects based on the number of people in each unit, then you'll be willing to discuss voting by head count. Also, square footage is essentially a fixed and determinable standard. The headcount per unit can change on a daily basis or be manipulated. For instance, if you knew that a vote was upcoming, you and your wife could just ask Jean Jacket Joe to "move" in with you guys to get a third vote. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: My apartment is in a building that has 24 three-bedroom units, 48 two-bedroom units, 48 one-bedroom units and 48 studios. I own a three bedroom unit. The three-bedroom unit owners have more votes than the two-bedroom owners who have more votes than the one-bedroom owners and so on. But some of the Orthodox families with a lot of children are trying to change the rules so the votes are based upon how many people live in each unit. Am I wrong for objecting? Why are they wanting to change the rules? What are they wanting to accomplish? Most of the Orthodox Jews live on the side of the building that faces California. They think it's undemocratic that my wife and I get as many or more votes than they do when they have 5-10 people in their apartments and we only have two. I believe the state statute requires percentage ownership based on square footage. I don't know if I'm remembering correctly. The HOA attorney certainly knows. You're correct. But this particular situation explains in part why I don't ever want to live in the air rights of a condo. |
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| Author: | Franky T [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: My apartment is in a building that has 24 three-bedroom units, 48 two-bedroom units, 48 one-bedroom units and 48 studios. I own a three bedroom unit. The three-bedroom unit owners have more votes than the two-bedroom owners who have more votes than the one-bedroom owners and so on. But some of the Orthodox families with a lot of children are trying to change the rules so the votes are based upon how many people live in each unit. Am I wrong for objecting? Why are they wanting to change the rules? What are they wanting to accomplish? Most of the Orthodox Jews live on the side of the building that faces California. They think it's undemocratic that my wife and I get as many or more votes than they do when they have 5-10 people in their apartments and we only have two. I believe the state statute requires percentage ownership based on square footage. I don't know if I'm remembering correctly. It might be original asking price (under the theory that not all equal unit sizes are equal in stake) The HOA attorney certainly knows. Maybe Mike North knows? |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
good dolphin wrote: KDdidit wrote: None of you should have voting rights since you’re not landowners. I’m sure that was the condo bylaw writer’s intent. you joke, but you actually are speaking truth. A condo owner doesn't own land He generally owns a percentage interest in the common elements which includes land. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: My apartment is in a building that has 24 three-bedroom units, 48 two-bedroom units, 48 one-bedroom units and 48 studios. I own a three bedroom unit. The three-bedroom unit owners have more votes than the two-bedroom owners who have more votes than the one-bedroom owners and so on. But some of the Orthodox families with a lot of children are trying to change the rules so the votes are based upon how many people live in each unit. Am I wrong for objecting? Why are they wanting to change the rules? What are they wanting to accomplish? Most of the Orthodox Jews live on the side of the building that faces California. They think it's undemocratic that my wife and I get as many or more votes than they do when they have 5-10 people in their apartments and we only have two. I believe the state statute requires percentage ownership based on square footage. Sounds undemocratic. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: My apartment is in a building that has 24 three-bedroom units, 48 two-bedroom units, 48 one-bedroom units and 48 studios. I own a three bedroom unit. The three-bedroom unit owners have more votes than the two-bedroom owners who have more votes than the one-bedroom owners and so on. But some of the Orthodox families with a lot of children are trying to change the rules so the votes are based upon how many people live in each unit. Am I wrong for objecting? Why are they wanting to change the rules? What are they wanting to accomplish? Most of the Orthodox Jews live on the side of the building that faces California. They think it's undemocratic that my wife and I get as many or more votes than they do when they have 5-10 people in their apartments and we only have two. I believe the state statute requires percentage ownership based on square footage. Sounds undemocratic. Inherently. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
those HOA meetings at Cabrini Greenberg must take 5 hours The law firm must make whoever has the least seniority attend. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
I will privately celebrate my moral victory of claiming real estate space may matter before others who know more also confirmed. |
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| Author: | Tall Midget [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
So are we to assume that JORR thinks a nation and a condo association are similar entities? If that's the case shouldn't Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates have far more votes than ordinary people like JORR? Sounds like JORR is an emerging prophet of the plutocracy! |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Regular Reader wrote: good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: My apartment is in a building that has 24 three-bedroom units, 48 two-bedroom units, 48 one-bedroom units and 48 studios. I own a three bedroom unit. The three-bedroom unit owners have more votes than the two-bedroom owners who have more votes than the one-bedroom owners and so on. But some of the Orthodox families with a lot of children are trying to change the rules so the votes are based upon how many people live in each unit. Am I wrong for objecting? Why are they wanting to change the rules? What are they wanting to accomplish? Most of the Orthodox Jews live on the side of the building that faces California. They think it's undemocratic that my wife and I get as many or more votes than they do when they have 5-10 people in their apartments and we only have two. I believe the state statute requires percentage ownership based on square footage. I don't know if I'm remembering correctly. The HOA attorney certainly knows. You're correct. But this particular situation explains in part why I don't ever want to live in the air rights of a condo. Me too....YAY SUBURBS!!! |
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| Author: | The Missing Link [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
denisdman wrote: Of course you should object. The number of people living there has no bearing on the votes. Perhaps Propaganda Joe (Not To Be Confused With Proposition Joe) is simply unaware of the "facts" as usual. |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
Aren't most association rules and bylaws setup so it's practically impossible to change rules? My prior one needed 75 of unit owners to change anything And that wasnt 75 percent of votes received. It was 75 percent of owners. It was impossible to get 75 percent of the owners to do anything especially a minor change. Tell the jews to go fuck themselves, they knew the rules when they bought. |
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| Author: | The Missing Link [ Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condo Association Question |
billypootons wrote: Aren't most association rules and bylaws setup so it's practically impossible to change rules? My prior one needed 75 of unit owners to change anything And that wasnt 75 percent of votes received. It was 75 percent of owners. It was impossible to get 75 percent of the owners to do anything especially a minor change. Tell the jews to go fuck themselves, they knew the rules when they bought. Me thinks that this is all simply a figment of Propaganda Joe's imagination. |
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