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| Author: | W_Z [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | "Gatekeeping" |
Besides Vinz Clortho and Zuul, this word has been splashed all over social media (no doubt because of redditors) and mostly revolving around what my generation would have just called "being a poser". i've seen it most recently with this explosion of popularity of kate bush's "running up that hill" that was used (and squeezed to its limit) in S4 of "stranger things". most millennials, credibly, hadn't heard of the song until "stranger things". and even more credible of course, ditto gen-Z. there appears to be some kind of disconnect, that "gatekeepers" are NOT allowing anyone in these age ranges (probably including the new generation of kids) to enjoy this song. it even went so far as to generate a meme about how our generation hadn't heard "bohemian rhapsody" until "wayne's world". for me, that is true. my parents weren't into queen and the song came out years before i was born, so i wouldn't have known of it until i saw the movie. but the use of this word, gatekeeping, is like...you're saying you're being discriminated against. it's part of the culture now to become a victim of something, even as innocent as liking a song. my feeling is, if you never heard of it (even my wife, who is older than me, admitted she didn't know of the song until the meg myers cover a few years ago--which i think is better than the original), that's understandable. but i've seen people actually brag about never hearing of it, and being bullish of "these physical media gatekeepers" (?) to "come at them". culture wars sure are scraping the bottom of the barrel. on the one hand, just admit you never heard the band or the song until you saw this one thing that got you into them. but don't be like the guy in that Onion article with led zeppelin. enjoy the discography but don't act like now you're the expert. that's what gets you called a poser. and that's not what gatekeeping is. it's just keeping it real. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Me and my people on the Blackhawks Bandwagon do not always feel very welcomed |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
I feel the same way about people who are just discovering Nelly. Nope. You don't get to start listening to him now. |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
I was kicked out of the Quincy, ME group run by HY. I just don’t have the history with the show necessary. Even saying my mom watched it all the time didn’t help. |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
There should be a word for telling people which people can enjoy specific pieces of pop culture and how they can enjoy them. |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
I remember after Silence of the Lambs hit theaters, everyone was tucking and dancing to Goodbye Horses. |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
The moral of the story is that social media sucks the root. It brings out the worst in almost everybody. I’m gonna go see what’s trending on Amazon Music and BLAST it. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
i think i could make out good on this, i randomly bought a used copy of Hound of Love at Reckless a few years ago . Price on Discogs has like tripled due to this |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Summer of 2011...for some reason, I decided it would be cool to hook up my turntable and give some of my old records a listen. It dawned on me that there was something about "Highway To Hell" on vinyl that just sounded better on vinyl. That summer, I realized listening to full albums not only sounded better, but it was just cooler to enjoy full albums. It was really nice of everyone else to jump on this bandwagon a number of years later and drive up the cost of used records. Everything used to be under $5 a record and now you can't get anything decent for under $20. Assholes. |
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| Author: | Warren Newson [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
This Ends in Antioch wrote: There should be a word for telling people which people can enjoy specific pieces of pop culture and how they can enjoy them. Yep, it's ridiculous. You kind of see the same thing with sports. There's that progression after a team wins a title: 1. Euphoria; 2. Immediate reminiscing: "How about that Patrick Kane goal?!"; 3. The search for historical context: "Are these Bulls the greatest team in NBA history?"; and 4. The fan pissing contest: "I've been a Blackhawks fan since 1984, all of these guys who just started watching in 2010 are posers. I should be given an appropriate amount of respect from other fans and the team." |
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| Author: | NWsider4-3-3 [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
W_Z wrote: it even went so far as to generate a meme about how our generation hadn't heard "bohemian rhapsody" until "wayne's world". for me, that is true. my parents weren't into queen and the song came out years before i was born, so i wouldn't have known of it until i saw the movie. from my youth, if you were a queen fan, you'd best keep it secret. no gangbangers ever wore a queen concert t-shirt and back then, lots of gangbangers. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
NWsider4-3-3 wrote: W_Z wrote: it even went so far as to generate a meme about how our generation hadn't heard "bohemian rhapsody" until "wayne's world". for me, that is true. my parents weren't into queen and the song came out years before i was born, so i wouldn't have known of it until i saw the movie. from my youth, if you were a queen fan, you'd best keep it secret. Especially a song like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGNILpVcgz4 (which I think is great...) |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
BigW72 wrote: Summer of 2011...for some reason, I decided it would be cool to hook up my turntable and give some of my old records a listen. It dawned on me that there was something about "Highway To Hell" on vinyl that just sounded better on vinyl. That summer, I realized listening to full albums not only sounded better, but it was just cooler to enjoy full albums. It was really nice of everyone else to jump on this bandwagon a number of years later and drive up the cost of used records. Everything used to be under $5 a record and now you can't get anything decent for under $20. Assholes. yea, there are some artists...like i think you can basically buy every Paul Simon album used for under 5$ used to be that way for all the rock dinosaurs now the hipsters drove up the price of the OG stuff, and then you get shit like Boston reissuing albums on 180g vinyl for 35$ |
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| Author: | NWsider4-3-3 [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Jaw Breaker wrote: NWsider4-3-3 wrote: W_Z wrote: it even went so far as to generate a meme about how our generation hadn't heard "bohemian rhapsody" until "wayne's world". for me, that is true. my parents weren't into queen and the song came out years before i was born, so i wouldn't have known of it until i saw the movie. from my youth, if you were a queen fan, you'd best keep it secret. Especially a song like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGNILpVcgz4 (which I think is great...) peer pressure, peer pressure... i wouldn't think that song was on the gaylord, pope or c-note playlist. |
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| Author: | Drunk Squirrel [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Camp counselor mid 80's was a big Queen fan so we had an introduction to Bohemian Rhapsody a little before Wayne's world but not from when it first came out. Who cares what someone enjoys though. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Drunk Squirrel wrote: ...Who cares what someone enjoys though. Are you new here?
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Bagels wrote: BigW72 wrote: Summer of 2011...for some reason, I decided it would be cool to hook up my turntable and give some of my old records a listen. It dawned on me that there was something about "Highway To Hell" on vinyl that just sounded better on vinyl. That summer, I realized listening to full albums not only sounded better, but it was just cooler to enjoy full albums. It was really nice of everyone else to jump on this bandwagon a number of years later and drive up the cost of used records. Everything used to be under $5 a record and now you can't get anything decent for under $20. Assholes. yea, there are some artists...like i think you can basically buy every Paul Simon album used for under 5$ used to be that way for all the rock dinosaurs now the hipsters drove up the price of the OG stuff, and then you get shit like Boston reissuing albums on 180g vinyl for 35$ Not only that...many of these re-issues are absolute garbage. - It's a money grab. They do a quick vinyl pressing based on some digital source that's not from the master which is been brickwalled digitally for loudness purposes - Tons of masters were lost on the Universal Studios fire in 2008. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Univ ... udios_fire - Many master recordings are flat out ruined from age / lack of care |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
NWsider4-3-3 wrote: i wouldn't think that song was on the gaylord, pope or c-note playlist. Never heard of the popes, gaylords moved to the far nw side iirc, c-notes were still active when I lived near Grand and Western. They operated out of the building next to the car wash there. you could go inside to buy jordans or guns or yayo, which is why i would go there. Top level guys were still Italian, but the lieutenants running the actual day to day operations were Mexican. and their members were a mix of white and mexican kids, for some reason. no blacks. |
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| Author: | Drunk Squirrel [ Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Regular Reader wrote: Drunk Squirrel wrote: ...Who cares what someone enjoys though. Are you new here?Well... That's the charm this place has I suppose. |
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| Author: | Clawmaster [ Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Don't know why, but do enjoy watching the YouTube vids of "People hearing (insert band name) for the first time", kind of odd to see people that refer to themselves as "rapper or hip-hop fan", seem shocked when they find out the modern crap they listen to is all just somebody mumbling with samples of actual real old school music. Have introduced the kid to my old go to stuff, she likes some of it, her buddies think I am some sort of musical genius because I can listen to their stuff and quickly find the original artist, they are sampling or copying and play if for them on my phone. Turns out that they like the original stuff better after being exposed to it. There is one of their people I like, but I usually just turn down the sound and watch Doja Cat, she falls into the category I call, "Shut up and shake your ass", along with Shakira, J-Lo, and Shania Twain. These are female artists that speak to me on a purely non-musical level. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Remember when people played INSTRUMENTS?!? Man I was born in the wrong generation. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Clawmaster wrote: Don't know why, but do enjoy watching the YouTube vids of "People hearing (insert band name) for the first time" Some of the most entertaining "reaction" videos are those of people hearing Bohemian Rhapsody for the first time (allegedly...sometimes I think the videos are staged). |
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| Author: | Clawmaster [ Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Jaw Breaker wrote: Clawmaster wrote: Don't know why, but do enjoy watching the YouTube vids of "People hearing (insert band name) for the first time" Some of the most entertaining "reaction" videos are those of people hearing Bohemian Rhapsody for the first time (allegedly...sometimes I think the videos are staged). Some of the reactions do seem a bit staged, but some of the ones where people are reacting to stuff from Metallica must be real because the reactors come across as complete idiots, but then again maybe it is a bit where young dudes willingly display grade school vocabularies, no knowledge of music, and zero self-awareness while claiming to be "rap fans listening to Metallica for the first time". Did enjoy watching the dude that did the "What is a woman" stuff breaking down rap videos, some funny stuff. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
What he say? |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
NWsider4-3-3 wrote: W_Z wrote: it even went so far as to generate a meme about how our generation hadn't heard "bohemian rhapsody" until "wayne's world". for me, that is true. my parents weren't into queen and the song came out years before i was born, so i wouldn't have known of it until i saw the movie. from my youth, if you were a queen fan, you'd best keep it secret. no gangbangers ever wore a queen concert t-shirt and back then, lots of gangbangers. I bet you liked to ride “your” bicycle. |
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| Author: | NWsider4-3-3 [ Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
Hussra wrote: NWsider4-3-3 wrote: i wouldn't think that song was on the gaylord, pope or c-note playlist. Never heard of the popes, gaylords moved to the far nw side iirc, c-notes were still active when I lived near Grand and Western. They operated out of the building next to the car wash there. you could go inside to buy jordans or guns or yayo, which is why i would go there. Top level guys were still Italian, but the lieutenants running the actual day to day operations were Mexican. and their members were a mix of white and mexican kids, for some reason. no blacks. they were big around mather h.s., lawrence/rockwell, north side. you could be a jock or a playboy type, couldn't help but have to deal with gangbangers all over. hanging out at a hot dog joint, a public park or the mall. yes, c-notes were mainly italian...elmwood park/river grove. i remember a cop on a 3 wheeled motorcycle in the park - he would leave at night and all the gangbangers would come out. |
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| Author: | NWsider4-3-3 [ Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Gatekeeping" |
denisdman wrote: NWsider4-3-3 wrote: W_Z wrote: it even went so far as to generate a meme about how our generation hadn't heard "bohemian rhapsody" until "wayne's world". for me, that is true. my parents weren't into queen and the song came out years before i was born, so i wouldn't have known of it until i saw the movie. from my youth, if you were a queen fan, you'd best keep it secret. no gangbangers ever wore a queen concert t-shirt and back then, lots of gangbangers. I bet you liked to ride “your” bicycle. had a schwinn continental 10 speed until 17. |
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