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Author:  Thug [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:56 pm ]
Post subject:  John McCain
Now that McCain has all but locked up the Republican vote. Who do you think he'll realistically select for VP?

PS. Unrelated note, the media has been pushing McCain because he was the most liberal of the republican party. Watch now as the media turns against McCain.
Author:  Colonel Angus [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: John McCain
Thug wrote:
PS. Unrelated note, the media has been pushing McCain because he was the most liberal of the republican party. Watch now as the media turns against McCain.


Is that also why Fox News has been treating him like shit? How liberal is McCain, really? He doesn't seem any more liberal than the one time self proclaimed liberal Mitt Romney. You guys act like he's Che Guevera or something, just because he's anti torture and doesn't want to rid the country of the scary brown people from the south.
Author:  Krazy Ivan [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: John McCain
Colonel Angus wrote:
....rid the country of the scary brown people from the south.


Is that slang for taking a dump?
Author:  Colonel Angus [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: John McCain
Krazy Ivan wrote:
Colonel Angus wrote:
....rid the country of the scary brown people from the south.


Is that slang for taking a dump?


We can always count on you to be classy, Ivan. :thumright:
Author:  Thug [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: John McCain
Colonel Angus wrote:
Is that also why Fox News has been treating him like shit? How liberal is McCain, really?


He's only leans to the left on 2 or 3 issues. The main problem is that there's a track record of conservative presidents that become more liberal once they're in office. See W.Bush. The last true conservative to stick to his conservativeness through thick and thin was Regan. That's one reason why McCain tries to associate himself so closely to Reagan.
Author:  Colonel Angus [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: John McCain
Thug wrote:
Colonel Angus wrote:
Is that also why Fox News has been treating him like shit? How liberal is McCain, really?


He's only leans to the left on 2 or 3 issues. The main problem is that there's a track record of conservative presidents that become more liberal once they're in office. See W.Bush. The last true conservative to stick to his conservativeness through thick and thin was Regan. That's one reason why McCain tries to associate himself so closely to Reagan.


Ah, but you forget Reagan did raise taxes! And he started that whole "Just Say No" campaign that just ended up being wasteful spending. Conservatives see Reagan through rose-colored glasses, just as liberals do with JFKennedy.

Anyone who is president has to move a little more to the center than where their base is, for one reason being that they are everyone's president, not just the president of the extremists within the party. If Hilldog or Obama get elected, you would notice that they would move a little more towards the center too (Universal Health care probably won't happen, especially Hillary's whack plan).
Author:  bwfalcon [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:44 pm ]
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Also see McCain on immigration, Gang of 14, global warming to name a few more.

While not "liberal" his foreign policy seems too imperialistic / globalist. This isn't really R or D, but not what I would call Conservative.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: John McCain
Thug wrote:
Colonel Angus wrote:
Is that also why Fox News has been treating him like shit? How liberal is McCain, really?


He's only leans to the left on 2 or 3 issues. The main problem is that there's a track record of conservative presidents that become more liberal once they're in office. See W.Bush. The last true conservative to stick to his conservativeness through thick and thin was Regan. That's one reason why McCain tries to associate himself so closely to Reagan.


Isn't Reagan more properly classified as a military Keynesian than a true fiscal "conservative"? That is, while he reduced the tax rate from 70% to 38% for the wealthiest Americans (but slightly raised the tax rate for the lowest income bracket) during his initial term, Reagan also dramatically increased military spending, thus running substantial budget deficits (the annual budget deficit increased from $74 billion the year before he took office to $231 billion in his last year; the federal deficit increased from slightly less than $1 trillion in his first year to over $2 trillion in his last year) and forcing future presidents to contract social spending as a % of the annual budget. On financial matters at least, then, Reagan cannot be called a true conservative.
Author:  Thug [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:53 pm ]
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Good points bwfalcon & Angus. That's why McCain has a legitimate chance. He's definitely the most "centralist" candidate. If he just wasn't as old as Reagan he'd be real strong.
Author:  Coast2Coast [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: John McCain
Thug wrote:
The main problem is that there's a track record of conservative presidents that become more liberal once they're in office.

That's not necessarily a problem in my world. And there is a comparable track record of moderate and liberal presidents becoming more conservative once in office. Effective leadership and governance sometimes requires compromise. Too bad so many voters don't get it.
Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:59 pm ]
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Ann Coulter saying she will campaign for Hillary is funny. Be careful what you wish for.
Author:  bwfalcon [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:01 pm ]
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Oh, back to the poll....

Not sure what Romney or Guiliani bring to the table, so no on them.
Lieberman - a Democrat, not going to happen

I think he needs someone from the base, so no also on Powell. Powell and Rice, I think would bring foreign policy status which McCain does not need.

I have never heard of Mark Sanford, so no comment.

The only way he can take Huckabee is if he does a complete about face on immigration - not likely since this destroys his image of goign against the party and being a Maverick.

I think he needs someone strong on economics and / or social issues. Maybe a Haley Barbour? He was a Washington lobbyist 1st which means he's already got a headstart on being a corrupt crony, which is key if you want to get ahead.
Author:  Colonel Angus [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:01 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Ann Coulter saying she will campaign for Hillary is funny. Be careful what you wish for.


S/he's going to be on Larry King tonight.
Author:  Evil J.A.C.K. [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:04 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Ann Coulter saying she will campaign for Hillary is funny. Be careful what you wish for.


My friend FavreFever,
This bodes well for those who do not like Hillary. And to be honest, Ann Coulter belongs in here with me. You do too. When you coming to visit me again, FavreFever? I miss your gentle singing to me while I sleep.

Your Friends,
Evil J.A.C.K.
Author:  Mustang Rob [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:27 pm ]
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I'm thinking Dick Cheney will alleviate all those "too liberal" concerns.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:38 pm ]
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Mustang Rob wrote:
I'm thinking Dick Cheney will alleviate all those "too liberal" concerns.


:lol: :lol:
Author:  Thug [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:58 pm ]
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I forgot Fred Thompson.

Talk about "Grumpy Old Men".
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:27 pm ]
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Other...Governor Charlie Crist from Florida...besides the obvious effect it would have in Florida, his selection would be a good first step for McCain to kiss and make up with the conservative base.
Author:  Irish Boy [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:32 pm ]
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Conservatives wanting a conservative presidential nominee from the more conservative party is, of course, illegitimate.
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