We had a gun thread a while back. I think I started it.

I like both and would likely buy one of these two calibers.

I am very opposed to Handguns. I understand the arguments, right to Bear arms, etc. I know damage can be done with any fire arms, but I would like tosee Handguns become illegal in this country and in order for them to become illegal they have to be illegal to manufacture.

Also want much more of a process to get a gun. It takes me 6 weeks to get a GC license, it takes me 4 months to get a permit, etc. but if I am not mistaken I can get a gun in 3 days?

I know this will not be the final cure for everything, but a single shot rifle is much harder to conceal, load and plan your killing, crime or other assoted illegal activity.

Then you can still go and kill your lice infested Deer and eat that for dinner and defend yourself from the british.

Thanks for the heads up Darkside. I will be much more kind in replying to your posts.

I now know that Darkside Estates will be packing heat.

DS - have you been to Cabela's yet? Huge gun room with some very nice pieces.

I finally agree with bigfan on something.

I am more on the side of doing away with handguns all together rather than stiffer gun control laws.

There have been too many people lately who have committed senseless killings with no prior criminal record...

Can you imagine if a student or a teacher had a little problem solver in their desk at Virginia Tech or NIU?

I understand where you're coming from on many of your points, but this shit scares me. Are you talking about requiring teachers to be armed or is this just giving them the option? So, a nutjob comes into a large lecture hall (like Cole Hall in NIU) and starts shooting? What good is a student with a handgun going to do if he's at another end of the room from the shooter? How does everyone know the non-nutjob(s) w/ a gun is "the good guy?" Then the cops show up and see students holding guns like it's payday in Dodge City and they're supposed to react how?

How is doing away with handguns no stiffer gun control?
You can't do away with handguns any more than you can do away with CO2.

All I said was, if one person have a concealed carry, that could have saved lives. Could have. Not guaranteed to.
Dodge City? Hardly.

I hear what Bigfan is saying and agree in theory. But considering the huge increase in violent crime in just a few block radius of my house, including my block, I am pretty close to changing my anti-gun stance. People don't shoot each other as often in the nicer northside neighborhoods as they do over by me. Since Christmas, the GF's car got broken into, my garage got broken into (second instance), some stuff (about $10K worth) was stolen, and this garbage goes on all the time. And this is just what affected me personally. The hooker bust website that guys post here almost always features arrests on my block. Shot bodies are discovered every couple months.

Does anyone honestly believe that the right to bear arms will allow us to defend ourselves similar to the wars that have been fought on this soil hundreds of years ago?

Unless you plan on buying a tank, or an F-16, or some missiles then you might as well be throwing rocks at the invading or domestic army coming after you.

The days are long gone that everyone could grab their muskets and solve their problems against another military. The days of the people's militia are over and never coming back.

I always find it funny when someone brings up this as a point as to why we need handguns. I picture this person standing behind the wall of a Starbucks firing a clip out of his handgun at a massive Canadian tank trying to repel the strange talking, beady eyed invaders.

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't control guns, but if you think that the pistol under your desk is going to do anything in a full scale war situation then you overestimate how good of a shot you are.

I'm against the right to bear arms. It served a purpose at one time, but is not applicable now, IMHO. Besides, the violent crime rate in the UK is much much lower than in the US... attributable to the illegality of handguns.

Side note: Did you know cops have to buy their own gun? Doesn't that seem odd? I would have thought that the government would want to supply them with the best equipment. Can anyone verify that cops have to buy their own guns?

What, are you in K-town?

Once upon a time, it became incumbant upon the citizens of the colonies to take up their arms and use them, to remain free. To assume that this won't ever come up again is just plain silly. We may need to defend our country again some day.

I find it funny when people forget that the last attack on american soil was implemented with box cutters and 3 inch knives.

I get that you don't fight modern warfare with a handgun. Protection does not limit itself to canadian invaders. You might have to protect against a home invasion (happened right in Schaumburg where I lived in the Condos at Weathersfield and Roselle, two boys and dad were hog tied by home invaders and they backed up a moving van to the front door, told all the neighbors that they were the moving company Laughing Laughing )

Who knows, there might be a time when we need to defend our homes against our own government????

Let's say, for shits and giggles that someone blows up a dirty bomb in lake michigan hopelessly polluting our main water supply for the city with radiation. Maybe the collar counties would have to defend our wells against domestic threats.... Water would be a valuable commodity...