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Yes. Heroin is bad. Drugs are bad. This is common sense stuff.

This article just lends credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects the upper class.

I have to somewhat question the parents here. There is a lot of stuff that kids can hide from their folks, being a heroin addict shouldn't be one of them.

Yes. Heroin is bad. Drugs are bad. This is common sense stuff.

This article just lends credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects the upper class.

The young Homer Glen resident thought he could control heroin, but heroin ended up controlling him. He sought euphoria, but heroin brought only disappointment.

Two years after Roberts’ death, heroin continues to kill and deceive. Many people think it is a problem that only happens somewhere else, but it is a problem in Will County.

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conns7901 wrote:

HOMER GLEN —

Somebody check on Bagels...

The problem is Will County
Mac should move out of Indiana

Where should people live, westside?

Frank Coztansa wrote:

The problem is Will County
Mac should move out of Indiana

Where should people live, westside?

You could name any community in any area and somebody will say there's something wrong with it. I've noticed that in my time on this board.

conns7901 wrote:

Maybe the problem is Will County. Forcing anyone under the age of 80 to live there approaches cruel and unusual punishment. Can't imagine what hell it must be for teenagers forced to live there. Impoverished inner-city hood or soul-crushing suburbia, equally ripe territory for the transient escape of narcotics.

Yes. Heroin is bad. Drugs are bad. This is common sense stuff.

This article just lends credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects the upper class.

Hell if I know, but for the good of the rest of the country, people from Indiana should probably just go ahead and stay put.

The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

Yes. Heroin is bad. Drugs are bad. This is common sense stuff.

This article just lends credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects the upper class.

No it doesn't.
It leads credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects upper class children.
They are the future.

It leads credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects upper class children.
They are the future.

Psycory wrote:

It leads credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects upper class children.
They are the future.

I don't think that's necessarily true in that they are the future or somehow more worthy/valued. That demographic has the means to try to fix it, and possibly a higher chance for success.

I've also heard there is an issue in the Naperville area.

Author:	conns7901 [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:45 am ]
Post subject:	Heroin leaves deadly mark on Will County
Its only getting worse out this way. By Tony Graf HOMER GLEN — Billy Roberts had a work ethic and dreams, a watchful father and mother and a nice home in a spacious subdivision, but his life was being destroyed by drugs. He fought repeatedly to recover, but the urge kept returning, until a heroin overdose brought on the sleep of death. Heroin is a killer and a liar. Under the appearance of sleep, it slowed down his system, it stopped his heart, it took his life at age 18. The young Homer Glen resident thought he could control heroin, but heroin ended up controlling him. He sought euphoria, but heroin brought only disappointment. Two years after Roberts’ death, heroin continues to kill and deceive. Many people think it is a problem that only happens somewhere else, but it is a problem in Will County. You may look at a neatly platted subdivision, with homes of brick and stone near expanses of open space, and say that heroin cannot possibly be here. And yet, it is here, and it is killing people at an alarming rate. In the first three months of this year, nine people have died of heroin overdoses in Will County. This year is on pace to exceed any year in recent memory in this category. After several years of disturbingly high numbers, some people are recognizing the heroin problem as an epidemic. John Roberts, Billy’s father, vividly remembers the death of his son the night of Sept. 20, 2009. “None of us fully appreciated how powerful, how terrible, this drug is,” said Roberts, a retired Chicago police captain who lives with his family in Homer Glen. “When you look out in this beautiful community, do you see heroin? I didn’t. I saw heroin every day in my 30-some-year career in Chicago, but not here,” Roberts said. “So there are serious problems out here in our communities that I wasn’t fully aware of, and didn’t give enough attention to.” Arrival in Homer John Roberts retired from the Chicago Police Department in May 2005, and he had accepted a position teaching at Lewis University in Romeoville. He moved his wife and four teenage children to Homer Glen. “It’s a very pretty community near my new location of work. So we settled down, and the plan was for me to teach,” Roberts said. “The last thing I did before I bought the house was I went over and looked at the high school, and saw Lockport’s main campus. I said, ‘This is a really nice place to live.’ So we moved in,” he said, referring to the impressive, quarter-mile-long East Campus in Lockport. In fall 2005, Billy began his freshman year at the Central Campus in downtown Lockport. A short time later, he began to hang out with students who made his father suspicious. “He got in with a bad crowd,” Roberts said. “He was being displaced from his old neighborhood. He had to meet all new friends. And that became a part of the problem.” Billy began to get into trouble with drugs. During his freshman year, Billy was caught with Dramamine, and the school notified the family. “I didn’t even know, as a police officer, that you can get high on Dramamine, but the kids did,” Roberts said. Marijuana use Roberts suspects that Billy had tried marijuana and beer by his sophomore year. “You find evidence. In my case: behind the shed,” Roberts said. “One of my neighbors pointed it out. ‘Can I show you something?’ And he brought me behind my shed, and I found several empty beer cans. The kids were out there having a pit,” he said of a previous bonfire party involving Billy and his friends. “We stopped out there a few times to check on them,” Roberts said of the party. He found nothing suspicious during these checks. “But right under our very nose, on my own property, they were out there, at the far end of the yard, having a fire pit, and they’re drinking beer,” he said. “You can’t watch your kids 24 hours a day. Parents may think that they’re watching their kids carefully. But we all grew up, and we were all teenagers at one time. So parents should think about that,” Roberts said. During his sophomore or junior year, Billy was caught with marijuana at the high school’s East Campus. Lockport police arrested him. After this second offense, the high school referred Billy to an alternative school — a move his father opposed. “It’s called the labeling theory. Once a child is labeled, and then ostracized or removed from the society, you may be saying, ‘Here, live up to the label we’re giving you. You’re a bad guy, you’re a drug guy.’ ” School policy On Thursday, high school officials said they could not discuss Billy Roberts’ case because of student privacy laws. They spoke generally, however, about the drug problem facing communities and schools in America. “We are not in denial that these issues are there, that some of our students make bad choices,” said Brett Gould, assistant superintendent. “We’ve always been upfront and forward with addressing issues that we face in our schools,” Gould said. “We ask people that when they hear of things, or see things, or know of things, to bring it to our attention immediately. We act on it very thoroughly.” Gould showed The Herald-News numerous posters and other literature, made available throughout the school, directing students to resources for help. “We know that there are issues out there. Kids need help. Parents need help,” he said. Lockport Township High School formed a student assistance program a few years ago, and also is a partner with Rosecrans, a hospital that deals with mental-health and drug issues, Gould said. The high school also has created a partnership among area public and parochial schools — centered at Lockport. Rosecrans leads the consortium meetings, Gould said. The Lockport Police Department has school resource officers at East and Central campuses. Speakers address students on the dangers of drug abuse. The Porter Planner book outlines the school’s drug policy. Students and parents are required to sign the document the first week a student is in school. They have to read it again every year, said Kimberly Brehm, school spokeswoman. The Porter Planner outlines drug- and alcohol-abuse policies for school and for co-curricular activities. The school immediately disciplines all students who violate the policy. There are no breaks. However, the school technically does not have a hard “zero-tolerance” policy, in which a first offense leads to automatic expulsion. Upon the first offense, the parents are contacted for a conference. The student is suspended. Also, the student must complete a school-approved assessment program. The student must follow through with the program’s recommendations, and the student is back in school in 10 days. “We mandate the student has to get help,” Gould said. The policy for the second offense is similar: The student is suspended and must get another assessment. At this point, the school may refer the student to an alternative school. “The idea of an alternative school is: Take them out of the setting where maybe they’re not having success, because they keep violating the code,” Gould said. “You put them in an alternative setting. They can continue with their education, and still graduate with a diploma from Lockport, or Joliet, or Plainfield, or Lincoln-Way.” “We’re not about to stick a label on someone and pass them along,” Brehm said. Billy’s struggles John Roberts remained uncomfortable sending Billy to an alternative school. So Billy began working at jobs and showed a good work ethic and good initiative. Billy wanted to start his own business one day. However, in the days after he left high school, Billy was introduced to cocaine, and then heroin. Billy’s father is hesitant to use the term “gateway drugs.” He is hesitant to state outright that if a person tries one drug, he then goes on to something harder. However, there is no doubt Billy used more intense drugs as time went on. “Kids at that age — teenagers — they test everything they’ve learned. They’re about to embark on their own adult life. Mom and Dad have told them, ‘Don’t smoke marijuana, or you’ll grow a third eye.’ They tell you some dread story that can happen.” So if the teens do use marijuana, and some awful event does not happen that first time, the parents’ warnings might be questioned. “Now all of a sudden, it’s like, ‘If that’s not true, how much of the other things that Mom and Dad tell me are not true?’ ” Roberts said. Billy Roberts moved from marijuana to cocaine and heroin. Heroin can and does kill on the first use — even though it kills some users slowly, over time. Billy sometimes hid his drug use. Sometimes he admitted it and fought boldly against it. He eventually succumbed to a deceptive and seductive drug. It was a deadly progression that began with a bad decision.

Author:	The Original Kid Cairo [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:50 am ]
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Yes. Heroin is bad. Drugs are bad. This is common sense stuff. This article just lends credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects the upper class.

Author:	SomeGuy [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:57 am ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Yes. Heroin is bad. Drugs are bad. This is common sense stuff. This article just lends credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects the upper class. It's always a problem no matter what class of social strata it hits, I think that it just doesn't get a much of a second look or much in-depth coverage until it hits the middle/upper-class. Although I can tell you, as you probably already are well aware of, that it's as much of a problem in the middle/upper-classes as it is in the lower classes.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:02 am ]
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I have to somewhat question the parents here. There is a lot of stuff that kids can hide from their folks, being a heroin addict shouldn't be one of them.

Author:	jackref [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:32 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: I have to somewhat question the parents here. There is a lot of stuff that kids can hide from their folks, being a heroin addict shouldn't be one of them. Also having a bonfire in the backyard went unnoticed??

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Author:	spmack [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:38 am ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Yes. Heroin is bad. Drugs are bad. This is common sense stuff. This article just lends credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects the upper class. I was thinking the same thing, Kid. I'm sorry for the family, but there are situations like this in the city, everyday.

Author:	donspiracy [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:38 am ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Yes. Heroin is bad. Drugs are bad. This is common sense stuff. This article just lends credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects the upper class. Completely agree. There are not harps that play when leaving Cook County or "the city". Heroin is deadly, meth is deadly. Don't do it man.

Author:	Douchebag [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:40 am ]
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conns7901 wrote: HOMER GLEN — Somebody check on Bagels...

Author:	NearWessSideHussra [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:29 am ]
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conns7901 wrote: The young Homer Glen resident thought he could control heroin, but heroin ended up controlling him. He sought euphoria, but heroin brought only disappointment. Two years after Roberts’ death, heroin continues to kill and deceive. Many people think it is a problem that only happens somewhere else, but it is a problem in Will County. [/i] Maybe the problem is Will County. Forcing anyone under the age of 80 to live there approaches cruel and unusual punishment. Can't imagine what hell it must be for teenagers forced to live there. Impoverished inner-city hood or soul-crushing suburbia, equally ripe territory for the transient escape of narcotics.

Author:	Bagels [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:30 am ]
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Douchebag wrote: conns7901 wrote: HOMER GLEN — Somebody check on Bagels... i like my drugs very hard

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:30 am ]
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The problem is Will County Mac should move out of Indiana Where should people live, westside?

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:31 am ]
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Didnt the movie Traffic show this?' If Eric from that 70's Show can get hooked as Senator Michael Douglas kid....ANYONE can get hooked

Author:	SomeGuy [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:36 am ]
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NearWessSideHussra wrote: conns7901 wrote: The young Homer Glen resident thought he could control heroin, but heroin ended up controlling him. He sought euphoria, but heroin brought only disappointment. Two years after Roberts’ death, heroin continues to kill and deceive. Many people think it is a problem that only happens somewhere else, but it is a problem in Will County. [/i] Maybe the problem is Will County. Forcing anyone under the age of 80 to live there approaches cruel and unusual punishment. Can't imagine what hell it must be for teenagers forced to live there. Impoverished inner-city hood or soul-crushing suburbia, equally ripe territory for the transient escape of narcotics. Joking?

Author:	Psycory [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:42 am ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Yes. Heroin is bad. Drugs are bad. This is common sense stuff. This article just lends credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects the upper class. No it doesn't. It leads credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects upper class children. They are the future.

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Author:	Hank Scorpio [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:55 am ]
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NearWessSideHussra wrote: Hell if I know, but for the good of the rest of the country, people from Indiana should probably just go ahead and stay put. Why does Hussra hate me?

Author:	Bagels [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:55 am ]
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Psycory wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Yes. Heroin is bad. Drugs are bad. This is common sense stuff. This article just lends credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects the upper class. No it doesn't. It leads credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects upper class children. They are the future. I decided long ago to program the robotic progeny of our human race never to walk in anyone's shadow. Shouldn't you do the same? If we can provide them with self-esteem and a feeling that they are loved, they will be equipped to take on any challenge that life presents—whether it is construction of superfilament-reinforced space elevators in geosynchronous orbit, the mining of the asteroid belt, or the conversion of "heavy" elements to an interstellar-ramjet power supply through an as-yet-undeveloped form of cold fusion—and do it all with confidence and conviction. If they fail, if they succeed, nothing will take away their dignity. For if we can teach the robots to love themselves, they can carry that lesson with them, encased forever in digital binary-code form inside their gleaming metallic carapaces, to the stars and beyond. And that will be the greatest love of all

Author:	Spaulding [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:18 pm ]
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Psycory wrote: It leads credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects upper class children. They are the future. I don't think that's necessarily true in that they are the future or somehow more worthy/valued. That demographic has the means to try to fix it, and possibly a higher chance for success. I've also heard there is an issue in the Naperville area.

Author:	SomeGuy [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:20 pm ]
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Spaulding wrote: Psycory wrote: It leads credence to the idea that these things don't become a problem until it affects upper class children. They are the future. I don't think that's necessarily true in that they are the future or somehow more worthy/valued. That demographic has the means to try to fix it, and possibly a higher chance for success. I've also heard there is an issue in the Naperville area. An "issue" would be a large understatement.

Author:	Spaulding [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:27 pm ]
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Yeah, I had a friend that worked in a hospital over there. This problem is actually pretty hidden in a way, kind of the opposite of what spmack was saying.