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"Castro is to Cuba what Hitler is to Germany."
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Author:  Darkside [ Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:16 pm ]
Post subject:  "Castro is to Cuba what Hitler is to Germany."
Heard this on 670 and also Haugh wrote this.

What the everloving fuck is wrong with you? Hitler and Castro. Really?
Author:  Hatchetman [ Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Castro is to Cuba what Hitler is to Germany."
Stalin would have been a better analogy.
Author:  jimmypasta [ Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Castro is to Cuba what Hitler is to Germany."
Maybe Ozzie should read this:

labor camps and abuse of prisonersIn 1986 a "Tribunal on Cuba" was held in Paris to present testimonies by former prisoners of Cuba's penal system to the international media. The gathering was sponsored by Resistance international and The Coalition of Committees for the Rights of Man in Cuba. The testimonies presented at the tribunal, before an international panel, alleged a pattern of torture in Cuba's prisons and "hard labor camps". These included beatings, biological experiments in diet restrictions, violent interrogations and extremely unsanitary conditions. The jury concurred with allegations of arbitrary arrests; sentencing by court martial with neither public audience nor defense; periods in hard labour camps without sufficient food, clothes and medical care; and the arrests of children over nine years old.[23]

The number of reported executions in Cuba declined during the 1970s and by the 1980s were restricted to rare high-profile cases, notably the execution of General Arnaldo Ochoa in 1989. Ochoa, once proclaimed "Hero of the Revolution" by Fidel Castro, along with three other high-ranking officers, was brought to trial for drug trafficking. This offense carries a maximum sentence of 20 years, but Ochoa and the others were convicted of treason and promptly executed. Opponents of the Castro government outside of Cuba expressed skepticism about the legitimacy of Ochoa's arrest and execution.[citation needed]

[edit] Political abuse of psychiatryAlthough Cuba has been politically connected to the Soviet Union since the United States broke off relations with Cuba shortly after the president Fidel Castro came to power in 1959, few considerable allegations regarding the political abuse of psychiatry in this country emerged before the late 1980s.[24]:74 Americas Watch and Amnesty International published reports alluding to cases of possible unwarranted hospitalization and ill-treatment of political prisoners.[24]:75 These reports concerned the Gustavo Machin hospital in Santiago de Cuba in the southeast of the country and the major mental hospital in Havana.[24]:75 In 1977, a report on alleged abuse of psychiatry in Cuba presenting cases of ill-treatment in mental hospitals going back to the 1970s came out in the United States.[24]:75 It presents grave allegations that prisoners end up in the forensic ward of mental hospitals in Santiago de Cuba and Havana where they undergo ill-treatment including electroconvulsive therapy without muscle relaxants or anaesthesia.[24]:75 The reported application of ECT in the forensic wards seems, at least in many of the cited cases, not to be an adequate clinical treatment for the diagnosed state of the prisoner — in some cases the prisoners seem not to have been diagnosed at all.[24]:75 Conditions in the forensic wards have been described in repulsive terms and apparently are in striking contrast to the other parts of the mental hospitals that are said to be well-kept and modern.[24]:75

In August 1981, the Marxist historian Ariel Hidalgo was apprehended and accused of ‘incitement against the social order, international solidarity and the Socialist State’ and sentenced to eight years’ imprisonment.[24]:75 In September 1981, he was transported from State Security Headquarters to the Carbó-Serviá (forensic) ward of Havana Psychiatric Hospital where he stayed for several weeks.[24]:76
Author:  conns7901 [ Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Castro is to Cuba what Hitler is to Germany."
Hatchetman wrote:
Stalin would have been a better analogy.


Stalin murdered more people than Hitler.
Author:  Rod [ Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "Castro is to Cuba what Hitler is to Germany."
Growing up on the border of Skokie and Evanston I've known more than a few Holocaust survivors. Naturally, there are less and less of them everyday. But I still see a tattoo once in awhile.

One of my neighbors on the floor of my building is an old lady named Gina. Another neighbor told me she recently broke a hip. I haven't seen her in awhile. I fear she may be dead. She is pretty old.

Anyway, she used to walk the halls with her walker and I'd get into conversations with her. One day she mentioned my "wife". I told her she was my girlfriend. She started raking me. "You no good. You just like my son. You never marry these girls. They should dump you. Why you no do the right thing? My son live with girl for twenty year. Why he no marry?" I just laughed.

Another time she said to me, "Your girl, she French, no?" I told her she was and she said, "What about you? Where you from?" I said I was proud to be an American. That wasn't good enough for her. She wanted to know, "Where your people from?" I said I was of German descent. She looked me in the eye and began pointing at the Star of David and number on her arm and said, "GERMAN!!!! You know who else was German????? HEEEEETLER!!!!!!!" I tried to extricate myself from that conversation as quickly as possible.

Anyway, I think it comes down to how it affects your family, you, those close to you. If Castro seized your property and threw your brother and uncles in prison, of course he's as bad or worse than Hitler as far as you're concerned.

It's like the difference between major and minor surgery. Major surgery is when they're operating on me. Minor surgery is when they're operating on you.
Author:  Brick [ Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:09 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Anyway, I think it comes down to how it affects your family, you, those close to you. If Castro seized your property and threw your brother and uncles in prison, of course he's as bad or worse than Hitler as far as you're concerned.
Exactly. Ask most Eastern Europeans, and they hate Russia far more than Germany for what happened during that war. Then again, when half your family has to flee and the other half gets sent to Siberia for the crime of "owning a business" you can't really blame them.

I guess that is what really gets me about Ozzie saying "I love Fidel Castro". He probably would have said "I love the Russians" during WWII also. Then again, America kind of did at that point.

As a side note, my grandmother actually was transferred back land a few years ago she "lost" to the Russians back there. She went back but she donated it back to the town for a park. According to her though, it wasn't worth that much anyways.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:41 am ]
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I agree. Starlin Castro sucks.
Author:  jimmypasta [ Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "Castro is to Cuba what Hitler is to Germany."
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I agree. Starlin Castro sucks.


The Cubs should dump his ass for prospects.

Actually,I think he should play 2nd base.
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