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ACN - DOES ANYONE HAVE EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH THIS COMPANY?
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Author:  Darkside [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:08 pm ]
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I'll tell ya what, if my power is out and I'm freezing, I don't want to get into a ComEd/ACN dispute on who needs to get their butt out to fix it.
I've long worked in the utility field, and in situations similar to this where the "last mile" is provided by LEC and this damn fight happens every time and ALWAYS delays repairs.
It's better to work with ComEd or Nicor and know who is responsible for what.
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:10 pm ]
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It's called a pyramid scheme.

But if you are really looking for more info, call up Jeremy Roenick.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:12 pm ]
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Just write it off.
Author:  Rod [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:13 pm ]
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Donald Trump loves ACN!
Author:  Rod [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:24 pm ]
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It's just another company taking advantage of the deregulation of utilities and using an MLM approach rather than direct advertising.

At least they're not trying to pitch a bunch of "green energy" hogwash like Viridian.

Regarding Darkside's concerns as stated above, you'll still be paying ComEd for delivery and they are still responsible for their equipment. I doubt they're looking at a repair ticket and prioritizing them based upon which provider they use, but who knows? That is an objection you'll have to overcome if you decide to sell this shit.

Have you ever been to an Amway meeting?
Author:  Darkside [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:30 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's just another company taking advantage of the deregulation of utilities and using an MLM approach rather than direct advertising.

At least they're not trying to pitch a bunch of "green energy" hogwash like Viridian.

Regarding Darkside's concerns as stated above, you'll still be paying ComEd for delivery and they are still responsible for their equipment. I doubt they're looking at a repair ticket and prioritizing them based upon which provider they use, but who knows? That is an objection you'll have to overcome if you decide to sell this shit.

Have you ever been to an Amway meeting?

Delivering Dial Tone is much different from delivering power or gas I suppose. cLEC's do have their own Rings and Nodes and generate their own signaling, but they use SBC or VZ to deliver that to the end user once signaling is delivered to the LEC. Therefore, the LEC always tests their circuits, sees the actual connectivity there, and always claim the problem isn't them and it becomes a finger point back and forth. I'm not terribly sure how the other utilities work, but I am guessing all the juice is still generated delivered and maintained by Com Ed, in which case I'd ask, why the middleman?
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:35 pm ]
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It's a pyramid scheme. The money made is due to new hire intial "start up costs". Very little money is actually made off of "customers".
Author:  Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:52 pm ]
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Boomerang Marketing Group is much more profitable. Hold on, I'll find the bar napkin I signed to come on as a partner with them a few years ago. I'm sure the agreement is transferrable.
Author:  Rod [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:59 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
I am guessing all the juice is still generated delivered and maintained by Com Ed, in which case I'd ask, why the middleman?


I think the deregulation is supposed to provide choices for consumers and keep prices down. At least theoretically. I think the way it works practically is that the provider enters the market with what amounts to a low introductory price, although they don't call it that. The price will eventually sneak up close to what ComEd charges but will likely never exceed it due to lower overhead.


Big Chicagoan wrote:
It's a pyramid scheme. The money made is due to new hire intial "start up costs". Very little money is actually made off of "customers".


Are you sure about that? I don't know. A pyramid is illegal. I'm sure when utilities are involved there is plenty of government scrutiny. ComEd itself is the partial owner of one of the outside providers. I don't remember the name, but they advertised on the Score. That one isn't an MLM. In any case, the MLM approach is just a different way of advertising the product.

I will grant you that most people probably pay the fee, convert their own service and maybe that of a few friends or family members and then stop. There are those that make a living doing it and a few hundred bucks for an off-the-shelf business isn't a bad investment for a guy who is willing to hustle.
Author:  spmack [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:03 pm ]
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My favorite get rich scheme is the one where you send 5 people a dollar in the mail, in hopes that your name is sent out to many other people who will be sending you a dollar in the mail.
Author:  Rod [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:05 pm ]
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spmack wrote:
My favorite get rich scheme is the one where you send 5 people a dollar in the mail, in hopes that your name is sent out to many other people who will be sending you a dollar in the mail.



Do you want my address?
Author:  bigfan [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:34 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
I'll tell ya what, if my power is out and I'm freezing, I don't want to get into a ComEd/ACN dispute on who needs to get their butt out to fix it.
I've long worked in the utility field, and in situations similar to this where the "last mile" is provided by LEC and this damn fight happens every time and ALWAYS delays repairs.
It's better to work with ComEd or Nicor and know who is responsible for what.


Agree, fighting with Com ed on things already hard enough. The " insert co name here" discussion is not on my list. Will pay the extra 10%
Author:  Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:07 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Are you sure about that? I don't know. A pyramid is illegal.


Well, look at it this way:

ACN's (and most MLM companies) business model starts with one interested invester going to a meeting. At that meeting, he is told to get two of his friends to also invest. Those two friends then tell two of their friends, so on and so on.

Diagram that out on a piece of paper and tell me what shape you can get.

As was stated in this thread, these companies don't make their profit from selling products like cell phones or computers.
Author:  Rod [ Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:15 am ]
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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Are you sure about that? I don't know. A pyramid is illegal.


Well, look at it this way:

ACN's (and most MLM companies) business model starts with one interested invester going to a meeting. At that meeting, he is told to get two of his friends to also invest. Those two friends then tell two of their friends, so on and so on.

Diagram that out on a piece of paper and tell me what shape you can get.

As was stated in this thread, these companies don't make their profit from selling products like cell phones or computers.


But you do know that's not the definition of a "pyramid scheme", right? I'm not sure where they make their money, but I doubt any MLM company that lasts is doing it based on the "sign-up fees". In a true pyramid, someone is left holding the bag at the end. That really isn't the case with an MLM. It's just a marketing tool. I understand it is viewed in a negative light by many people. I'm not the slightest bit interested in it myself. But it isn't really a pyramid or a Ponzi.
Author:  Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:25 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
But you do know that's not the definition of a "pyramid scheme", right? I'm not sure where they make their money, but I doubt any MLM company that lasts is doing it based on the "sign-up fees". In a true pyramid, someone is left holding the bag at the end. That really isn't the case with an MLM. It's just a marketing tool. I understand it is viewed in a negative light by many people. I'm not the slightest bit interested in it myself. But it isn't really a pyramid or a Ponzi.


Well of course they aren't going to call it a "pyramid scheme", because like you said, those are illegal. :D

MLM companies do make most of their profit from start-up costs. ACN is included in that. Sure, they have other products they sell to supplement their books, but in the end these companies are selling a hope or empty promise to most individuals while "leadership" is left holding the bag.
Author:  Makaveli [ Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:35 am ]
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I knew a pastor that was getting a lot of people in his church to fork over $500 for the opportunity to get rich. This was a decade ago.
Author:  Makaveli [ Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:37 am ]
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spmack wrote:
My favorite get rich scheme is the one where you send 5 people a dollar in the mail, in hopes that your name is sent out to many other people who will be sending you a dollar in the mail.


Getting paid to mail letters.
Author:  Rod [ Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:59 am ]
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So, Panther, have you switched any services yet?
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