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Author:  Mini Ditka [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:12 am ]
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Media coverage. People get shot in Chicago on a regular basis, but it does not get the national coverage.

Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:37 am ]
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Kids are raised on the morals and lessons of television nowadays. And given the quality programming of television, the future is bleak.

Author:  Mini Ditka [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:38 am ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Kids are raised on the morals and lessons of television nowadays. And given the quality programming of television, the future is bleak.


Are you saying they need to bring back Sesame Street?

Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:41 am ]
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If everyone was more like Lovie Smith, we wouldn't have these problems.

Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:44 am ]
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Mini Ditka wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Kids are raised on the morals and lessons of television nowadays. And given the quality programming of television, the future is bleak.


Are you saying they need to bring back Sesame Street?


I'm saying kids need to spend less time watching television, using the internet, and playing video games. When a parent figure is not there to put what they are seeing into context, morals, ethics, and other lines become blurred.

Author:  Mini Ditka [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:51 am ]
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Douchebag wrote:
If everyone was more like Lovie Smith, we wouldn't have these problems.


Can you imagine the reaction at press conferences if everyone being interviewed did what he does to reporters?

Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:51 am ]
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The internet and to an extent video games. People being able to simulate an alternate life outside of reality. Absurd, insane and unfathomable thoughts that would be squashed in reality are allowed to incubate inside this alternate and created reality.

Author:  Mini Ditka [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:59 am ]
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I think people focus on these things when the media hypes them up and dwells on these negative events.

Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:01 am ]
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Internet message boards. Specifically, sports message boards.

Author:  Seacrest [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:20 am ]
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Keeping Score wrote:
I sure don't believe guns are helping any, but what is causing all of this anger, despair, total disregard for human life in the first place?

Both parents working not enough time with kids?

Divorce rate much higher than successful marriage rate?

Single parent homes?

Economy, not enough good jobs, despair?

Mental illnesses either over or under prescribed?

Not enough God? Too much God?

Desensitization (Movies, Video Games, Music lyrics etc....)?

Parents can no longer discipline kids as in the past? (Spanking in public could lead to arrest etc...)

etc....etc.....etc.....


I think you covered most of it there.

His mom didn't look like she was short on cash though.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:28 am ]
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God.

Author:  Bagels [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:31 am ]
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
The internet and to an extent video games. People being able to simulate an alternate life outside of reality. Absurd, insane and unfathomable thoughts that would be squashed in reality are allowed to incubate inside this alternate and created reality.


Bigbo

Author:  Hatchetman [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:33 am ]
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I think it all boils down the fundamental issue that homo sapiens were not genetically evolved over millions of years to live the way we do today. Often devoid of a healthy, loving social group, isolated, inundated by technology, and so on. Causes a lot of mental problems.

Author:  good dolphin [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:45 am ]
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It's obviously the Irish.

What leads you to believe the present is any different than the past?

Author:  Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:11 am ]
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Mini Ditka wrote:
Media coverage. People get shot in Chicago on a regular basis, but it does not get the national coverage.


I agree it is media coverage, but not that it isn't getting enough.

The manner in which these events are being covered and reported is disgusting. The media has inadvertently given disturbed individuals a pinnacle for which to reach in their planning process.

"XYZ school has 26 confirmed dead, which was more than ABC school years ago..."

CNN was interviewing children moments after the tragedy in Newtown. Homicidal minds want to be remembered, and we are glorifying their attacks under the guise of "raising awareness".

Author:  Bagels [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:15 am ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
Media coverage. People get shot in Chicago on a regular basis, but it does not get the national coverage.

How often exactly do 20 kids and 6 school staff get shot in Chicago?


Maybe not the 6 school staff but 20 kids is ~1-2 weekends worth

Author:  SomeGuy [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:20 am ]
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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
Media coverage. People get shot in Chicago on a regular basis, but it does not get the national coverage.


I agree it is media coverage, but not that it isn't getting enough.

The manner in which these events are being covered and reported is disgusting. The media has inadvertently given disturbed individuals a pinnacle for which to reach in their planning process.

"XYZ school has 26 confirmed dead, which was more than ABC school years ago..."

CNN was interviewing children moments after the tragedy in Newtown. Homicidal minds want to be remembered, and we are glorifying their attacks under the guise of "raising awareness".


I agree with this.

There was a good interview on the BBC last year or so of an "Expert", can't remember the field, but the anchors were asking him how the medias coverage might contribute to further massacres etc. down the line.

He pretty much said that everything the media does while covering the massacres/violence contributes. 24 hours of announcing how many dead, plastering the shooters name, picture, history, motivations, what weapons were used, how the murders were committed (incredibly detailed), talking about how it ranks compared to other massacres. And then there was the sirens being played in the background during the reports, constant video of crying parents, constant interviews of other experts saying how awful this is....and on and on.

He said it gives someone something to aim for (pardon the pun), gives them detailed information, what weapons to use, what the reactions of law enforcement will be, lets them know that they will be forever remembered in history.

I found it interesting.

Author:  Bagels [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:31 am ]
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SomeGuy wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
Media coverage. People get shot in Chicago on a regular basis, but it does not get the national coverage.


I agree it is media coverage, but not that it isn't getting enough.

The manner in which these events are being covered and reported is disgusting. The media has inadvertently given disturbed individuals a pinnacle for which to reach in their planning process.

"XYZ school has 26 confirmed dead, which was more than ABC school years ago..."

CNN was interviewing children moments after the tragedy in Newtown. Homicidal minds want to be remembered, and we are glorifying their attacks under the guise of "raising awareness".


I agree with this.

There was a good interview on the BBC last year or so of an "Expert", can't remember the field, but the anchors were asking him how the medias coverage might contribute to further massacres etc. down the line.

He pretty much said that everything the media does while covering the massacres/violence contributes. 24 hours of announcing how many dead, plastering the shooters name, picture, history, motivations, what weapons were used, how the murders were committed (incredibly detailed), talking about how it ranks compared to other massacres. And then there was the sirens being played in the background during the reports, constant video of crying parents, constant interviews of other experts saying how awful this is....and on and on.

He said it gives someone something to aim for (pardon the pun), gives them detailed information, what weapons to use, what the reactions of law enforcement will be, lets them know that they will be forever remembered in history.

I found it interesting.


so we should keep a close eye on you ?

Author:  Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:42 am ]
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SomeGuy wrote:
I agree with this.

There was a good interview on the BBC last year or so of an "Expert", can't remember the field, but the anchors were asking him how the medias coverage might contribute to further massacres etc. down the line.

He pretty much said that everything the media does while covering the massacres/violence contributes. 24 hours of announcing how many dead, plastering the shooters name, picture, history, motivations, what weapons were used, how the murders were committed (incredibly detailed), talking about how it ranks compared to other massacres. And then there was the sirens being played in the background during the reports, constant video of crying parents, constant interviews of other experts saying how awful this is....and on and on.

He said it gives someone something to aim for (pardon the pun), gives them detailed information, what weapons to use, what the reactions of law enforcement will be, lets them know that they will be forever remembered in history.

I found it interesting.


Exactly.

Before too long, you can probably expect a step-by-step diagram on CNN on how the shooter executed his plan any day now.

It will basically be a "How-To" guide on mass killings. But hey, that's good reporting! :roll:

Author:  conns7901 [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:19 am ]
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Lack of morals.
No value of human life.
Everyone out for themselves.

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:26 am ]
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You guessed it...

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Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:34 pm ]
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Keeping Score wrote:
The New York Times ‏@nytimes
Breaking News: Obama Says He Will Submit Gun Control Proposals to Congress No Later Than January http://nyti.ms/Zj5rg3


He has put Joe Biden in charge of it. This should be interesting.

Author:  Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:37 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
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He has put Joe Biden in charge of it. This should be interesting.


He's gonna totally kill all the guns.

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:41 pm ]
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Violent crime is down significantly since the early 90's. Chicago is an exception. You are seeing more media coverage because of the Internet and sensationalized jouranlism. From the Economist:

Murder rates
There will be less blood
In two of America’s biggest cities, fewer people are being killed

Dec 8th 2012 | NEW YORK AND WASHINGTON, DC | from the print edition

All dressed up and nowhere to go

NEW YORK CITY’S body count had been rising steadily when Brian Watkins, a tourist from Utah, was stabbed in the heart while defending his family from muggers in 1990. One of 2,262 murders in the city that year, his death seemed to embody New York’s status as the most violent place in America. But the city had competition, not least from Washington, DC, which was mired in a crack epidemic that consumed even its mayor. The District of Columbia, a fraction the size of New York, saw over 400 killings a year in the early 1990s. It became “the murder capital of America”.

That was then. Today New York is on course to end the year with around 400 killings, a level not seen since John Kennedy was in the White House. It was remarkable when, for 36 hours last month, no one at all was stabbed, shot or murdered in the city. The District, meanwhile, looks certain to have suffered fewer than 100 killings this year, the lowest number recorded for nearly half a century.

Although New York and Washington stand out, violent crime has been declining nationally for some 20 years. The trend is not uniform—Chicago and Detroit, for example, have seen their murder rates jump this year—but life in America is generally safer than it was two decades ago. Criminologists are wondering why.

Innovative police efforts, like CompStat, a crime-mapping system, and the “broken-windows” strategy, which focuses on restoring order to communities, were implemented in New York in the early 1990s, and crime rates began to fall. More recently department officials have been trying Operation Impact, a programme which floods troubled areas with police, mostly new recruits. Crime in these “hotspots” tends to drop at twice the citywide rate. The controversial stop-and-frisk policy, under which people suspected of criminal activity are stopped and checked for weapons, is also considered helpful. Ray Kelly, the police commissioner, claims that such proactive policing saved over 5,600 lives between 2002 and 2011.

Some of the tactics used in New York have made their way to the District, where Cathy Lanier, the police chief, credits her department’s crackdown on guns and gangs for the recent decline in violence. As with Mr Kelly, there has been some controversy along the way, for instance when she set up checkpoints around an especially gang-plagued neighbourhood, or proposed that police should go door-to-door in search of guns. Some see her efforts as more public-relations than policing, but it is hard to argue with the results.

And that is the problem. With success in fighting crime so widespread, most police departments can point to tactics that correlate with declining violence. But many were not in place when the declines began, so proving cause and effect is hard. This had led some to propose broader explanations for the safer streets, such as reduced exposure to lead, which can make people more violent; increasing gentrification; or a preference among young hoodlums for playing video games.

For their part, both New York and Washington continue to innovate, applying technology and forming partnerships with the business community. New York, for instance, has jointly developed a real-time tracking tool with Microsoft that it plans to sell to other police departments. As the District battles a rise in less serious crime, it may be a customer.

Author:  Hatchetman [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:43 pm ]
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the good thing about crack is that its users typically die off in short order.

Author:  Phil McCracken [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:14 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
the good thing about crack is that its users typically die off in short order.

And yet you are still here posting. Congrats!

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:27 pm ]
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I agree with Ugie and SomeGuy here. I don't know if Morgan Freeman really said this shit or not(someone shared it through FB so who knows if it is fake or legit), but I posted it in the journalism thread and it is by far the most sensible response to what happened that I have read so far.

Quote:
You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:29 pm ]
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No, he did not say that.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:32 pm ]
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Don Tiny wrote:
No, he did not say that.

Ok. Well whoever said it is irrelevant. It's well said regardless.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:33 pm ]
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My addendum to what he said was better than what he actually did but didn't say.


We also know the names of Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussien. Do you remember the names of anybody they killed? I know who Mohaamed Attah was, but can't name a single 9-11 victim off the top of my head. I know who Jeffrey Dahmer was but don't know who he killed or how they tasted.

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