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employees ultimately take less time because they feel guilty about asking for time off...
I have this and this is exactly how I feel when asking for vacation.
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| Author: | Bucky Chris [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
My company is switching to a non accrued vacation policy... does anyone have any familiarity with this type of policy? Basically, I no longer have allotted vacation time. It's up to my manager how much I get. I just submit a request, and he approves or denies it. The company is doing it because it now gets to clean up the ledger of all vacation time payouts. Brilliant for them. And they spin it to the employees as "no limits!" Lots of people are freaked out, because they think their managers (or managers down the road) are going to be dicks about it (I'm not worried for now, because I love my manager... but managers change, obviously). In all the case studies I've seen (Netflix does it), employees ultimately take less time because they feel guilty about asking for time off... and because in the old system, you would burn days 'just because' so you wouldn't lose them, or so you didn't hit the maximum. So anyone have this policy? Like it? Hate it? |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Quote: employees ultimately take less time because they feel guilty about asking for time off... I have this and this is exactly how I feel when asking for vacation.
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Sounds like a perfect system to have to listen to 40 year old women bitch all day about Bill or Betty getting to take a half day extra then they do. And I CANT BELIEVE that he rejected their request to have the day after Christmas off even though half the office requested it 2 months before them. Have fun with this cluster fuck. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
So this means a ass kisser (with 3 years with the company) in one department might get 4 weeks off while another employee (10 years) with a asshole manager gets 2 weeks? How the hell is that fair or even legal? Never heard of this before. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
I would immediately request 4 weeks off next year to start, and if denied for any other of the weeks, ask which ones work. I'd then take a few three day weekends off at random points during the year. |
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| Author: | Bucky Chris [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
jimmypasta wrote: So this means a ass kisser (with 3 years with the company) in one department might get 4 weeks off while another employee (10 years) with a asshole manager gets 2 weeks? How the hell is that fair or even legal? Never heard of this before. Yea, there is nothing in place about fairness, although I have heard there will be a review process should you get denied and you're unhappy about the decision. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Start a union! |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
jimmypasta wrote: Start a union! 
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Seriously,in this era of high unemployment,it's terrible how these companies figure out new ways to hold thier employees over the coals. |
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| Author: | Bucky Chris [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
jimmypasta wrote: Seriously,in this era of high unemployment,it's terrible how these companies figure out new ways to hold thier employees over the coals. That's the thought process a lot of colleagues have. This is going to be a HUGE cost saver to them over time. Many are equating it to taking away benefits. On the bright side, we're all getting a check in Jan for our current vacation balance. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
They arent cutting vacation time. If anything you might get a few extra days. It is just going to be annoying listening to people bitch about it. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Bucky Chris wrote: On the bright side, we're all getting a check in Jan for our current vacation balance. That will be taxed a hellava lot more than if you took 1 day here or 2 days there.
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Bucky Chris wrote: jimmypasta wrote: Seriously,in this era of high unemployment,it's terrible how these companies figure out new ways to hold thier employees over the coals. That's the thought process a lot of colleagues have. This is going to be a HUGE cost saver to them over time. Many are equating it to taking away benefits. On the bright side, we're all getting a check in Jan for our current vacation balance. I would put that money in the savings account (or 401k). It will be needed if you get launched (when you would usually get it) |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
I'm going to guess that it won't be that bad. Once you reach a certain limit of days requested off, you will then start getting rejected unless the day off is for good reason. It's basically the same system as before but you don't get compensated for days leftover. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Hank Scorpio wrote: They arent cutting vacation time. If anything you might get a few extra days. It is just going to be annoying listening to people bitch about it. Exactly. Plan your same vacation schedule and then ask for a few days off as the year goes on.
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: They arent cutting vacation time. If anything you might get a few extra days. It is just going to be annoying listening to people bitch about it. Exactly. Plan your same vacation schedule and then ask for a few days off as the year goes on.I think you can basically bank on being able to get time around the holidays off IN ADDITION to your vacation time with this new policy, because your managers won't have much reason to say no when no one is in the office and nothing is getting done anyways. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Are all these days paid or unpaid? We have a "use 'em or lose 'em" policy here, but can take as many unpaid days off as we want/need, within reason. Did they go thru anything about the possibility of being bumped from your vacation? That is having a day approved, then having somebody else (higher rank, more seniority, etc) take the same day so you lose your time. |
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| Author: | Bucky Chris [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Are all these days paid or unpaid? We have a "use 'em or lose 'em" policy here, but can take as many unpaid days off as we want/need, within reason. Did they go thru anything about the possibility of being bumped from your vacation? That is having a day approved, then having somebody else (higher rank, more seniority, etc) take the same day so you lose your time. All paid. Second scenario hasn't come up in discussions at all, but I'm not sure that would be an issue. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
I don't see why anyone here is complaining. Bucky Chris can probably now take more days off than Mac and Spiegal now. |
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| Author: | doug - evergreen park [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Vacation Days...I have not had one of those in 4.5 years. And let me tell ya, you are more inclined to work a few extra hours to prepare for the "days off" i.e. the office is closed. I think it is a pretty clever idea, and ultimately it will balance out. Marge might get another day more than June and Bruce, but I suspect that there will be an excel or vision document for tracking. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Big Chicagoan wrote: I'm going to guess that it won't be that bad. Once you reach a certain limit of days requested off, you will then start getting rejected unless the day off is for good reason. What's a "good reason"? |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Sounds like the idea would be to keep a list of who takes vacation when and how much. Then use that next time people are laid off. My guess is within 3-4 years everyone left is taking significantly less days off. |
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| Author: | K Effective [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Sounds like a great deal for the company, more work/bitching for the supervisors, and an overall clusterfuck-in-waiting. On a more personal note, while reviewing my 2013 schedule, with two "special work assignment periods" planned and training and vacation taken, I am only going to perform my "normal" job for 83 days all year. |
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| Author: | Bucky Chris [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
conns7901 wrote: Sounds like the idea would be to keep a list of who takes vacation when and how much. Then use that next time people are laid off. My guess is within 3-4 years everyone left is taking significantly less days off. I'm not sure on that. I work for a big company, 10k plus employees so I still think the biggest reason is money saving. I just learned the executives have been using this policy for awhile and they like it, but I'm not sure that is relevant to how well it will work for the rest of the company. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
conns7901 wrote: Sounds like the idea would be to keep a list of who takes vacation when and how much. Then use that next time people are laid off. My guess is within 3-4 years everyone left is taking significantly less days off. What a stupid idea. I have currently 2 weeks vacation, next year I get 3. If my company did this, I would still be taking my 3 weeks. My new asst only has 1 week, and my 2 inside reps have 1 and 2 weeks respectively. Obviously I am going to be taking more time off than them. So that means I should get laid off? No, and thats the biggest problem with this sort of policy. The guy who has 4 weeks and counts on those 4 weeks not just for vacations, but to take care of some of his kids dealings or his elderly mother now gets fucked in the long run. |
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| Author: | doug - evergreen park [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
That is why the days have to be approved by managers. The 22 year old kid just out of college is not going to get 9 weeks of vacation... |
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| Author: | Rod [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
doug - evergreen park wrote: That is why the days have to be approved by managers. The 22 year old kid just out of college is not going to get 9 weeks of vacation... It depends on what she looks like. 
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| Author: | Bucky Chris [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: doug - evergreen park wrote: That is why the days have to be approved by managers. The 22 year old kid just out of college is not going to get 9 weeks of vacation... It depends on what she looks like.
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
I can't imagine what the new hire negotiations are like in this type of system. How many weeks of vacation to do I get? As many as you want. Is there a limit? No, but your manager will eventually not approve it. So what if I take 4 weeks a year, is that alright? If your manager approves it. What if they deny me more than 3 days? .... Ok, I'm going to plan for about 4 weeks of vacation a year. |
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| Author: | doug - evergreen park [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Non Accrued Vacation Policy |
Bucky Chris wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: doug - evergreen park wrote: That is why the days have to be approved by managers. The 22 year old kid just out of college is not going to get 9 weeks of vacation... It depends on what she looks like. And who she is going with. |
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