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Author:  conns7901 [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:05 pm ]
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What exactly would he do? Ban assault weapons?

Vice President Joe Biden revealed that President Barack Obama might use an executive order to deal with guns.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

Biden, as he himself noted, helped write the Brady bill.

Eric Holder was scheduled to be at the meeting that's currently take place at the White House.
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:09 pm ]
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Don't even know what to say anymore.
Author:  Krazy Ivan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:11 pm ]
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I'm cool with that...
Author:  conns7901 [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:15 pm ]
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conns7901 wrote:

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."



It is also a moral issue to blow up kids in Pakistan with drone missiles. But that is ok so long as it is a Democrat making the call.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:18 pm ]
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Quote:
"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Of course they are gonna use executive orders! That's how this administration gets shit done!

:?

conns7901 wrote:
conns7901 wrote:

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."



It is also a moral issue to blow up kids in Pakistan with drone missiles. But that is ok so long as it is a Democrat making the call.

Right. This administration is better off not using morality as justification for anything.
Author:  denisdman [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:22 pm ]
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Separation of powers has been eroded with the courts and executive branches stealing much of the spoils. The courts tend to overrule properly enacted legislation even going as far as to help re-write the laws they overrule. The executive branch is clearly trying to make government work because of of do-nothing legislative bodies. Heck even Pat Quinn is talking about a pension commission that would be empowered to change the IL pension rules without legislative approval.

I don't agree with it, but I understand why it is happening.
Author:  conns7901 [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:23 pm ]
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It would also be nice if we lived in a state that wasn't in the business of repeatedly closing mental health facilities due to cost.
Author:  stoneroses86 [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:23 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Don't even know what to say anymore.

Amen to that.

How amusing that Eric "The Gun Runner" Holder was an attendee. I guess that our innocent people are more important than innocent Mexican people.
Author:  pittmike [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:24 pm ]
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I bitched and moaned about a lot of things regarding Obama. He was reelected so I guess I am resigned to our fate. Of all the stuff about this guy really nothing pisses me off more than all this working around the edges. His executive order bs, his hiding everything (Bezhai, secret deals) and especially anything to do with that ass wipe Eric Holder simply kills me.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:30 pm ]
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stoneroses86 wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Don't even know what to say anymore.

Amen to that.

How amusing that Eric "The Gun Runner" Holder was an attendee. I guess that our innocent people are more important than innocent Mexican people.

If there is one thing this xenophobic administration has proven, it's that our innocent people are infinitely more important than innocent people from other countries.
Author:  SomeGuy [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:31 pm ]
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conns7901 wrote:
What exactly would he do? Ban assault weapons?

Vice President Joe Biden revealed that President Barack Obama might use an executive order to deal with guns.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

Biden, as he himself noted, helped write the Brady bill.

Eric Holder was scheduled to be at the meeting that's currently take place at the White House.


More unconstitutional executive orders that will be decried from the throne room, but remember...they must do something. A ban on any type of firearm won't lead to a decrease in gun violence and gun crime is the last thing on their minds. They know this. I'm sure some national gun registry will be attempted even though it totally failed in Canada, they also know this. They want the guns, they don't care how they get them, how long it takes they just want guns out of the hands of the citizens. Politicians past and present have said as much.

Remember, the Constitution and our rights as citizens and human beings aren't something held in reverence by our elected officials, no, they are simply road blocks, inconveniences and things to work around to an ultimate goal, whatever that may be.

The governments motherfucking dream is to have a disarmed populace.

Bad.
Author:  Krazy Ivan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:40 pm ]
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deal with it?
Author:  SomeGuy [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:41 pm ]
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Krazy Ivan wrote:
deal with it?


Do you have anything to add?
Author:  Don Tiny [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:47 pm ]
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Krazy Ivan wrote:
deal with it?


Is this a bit?
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:50 pm ]
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Considering we have no idea what action this would be, I find Ivans response just as logical as anyone elses in this thread.
Author:  Krazy Ivan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:52 pm ]
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SomeGuy wrote:
Krazy Ivan wrote:
deal with it?


Do you have anything to add?


Well. I admit to having a huge bias when it comes to guns and would blindly be in support of most anything that would take them out of the hands of civilians. I've been told (repeatedly) that it isn't realistic, so I recuse myself from the discussion and may choose to chime in with a humorous ( :scratch: )
quip later on in the thread...
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:55 pm ]
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Don Tiny wrote:
Krazy Ivan wrote:
deal with it?


Is this a bit?

No. It's standard fare response from someone when their guy is in office. Bush backers pretty much had the same attitude.
Author:  Krazy Ivan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:55 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Krazy Ivan wrote:
deal with it?


Is this a bit?

No. It's standard fare response from someone when their guy is in office. Bush backers pretty much had the same attitude.


Read.
Author:  Makaveli [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:58 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
stoneroses86 wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Don't even know what to say anymore.

Amen to that.

How amusing that Eric "The Gun Runner" Holder was an attendee. I guess that our innocent people are more important than innocent Mexican people.

If there is one thing this xenophobic administration has proven, it's that our innocent people are infinitely more important than innocent people from other countries.


I was complaining about the drone strikes before you were but IMO as president of our country he should feel that way. I know that's fucked up but I would have an even bigger problem if he didn't.
Author:  Seacrest [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:58 pm ]
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Constitution lesson on how bills become Laws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_4LQ96Pds
Author:  stoneroses86 [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:59 pm ]
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lipidquadcab wrote:
Considering we have no idea what action this would be, I find Ivans response just as logical as anyone elses in this thread.

This is very true. I think, however, that one may safely presume that any action from this man will not expand the protections afforded by the Second Amendment.
Author:  Makaveli [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:00 pm ]
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lipidquadcab wrote:
Considering we have no idea what action this would be, I find Ivans response just as logical as anyone elses in this thread.


Exactly! It's possible he may deal with the mental health issues.
Author:  Krazy Ivan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:00 pm ]
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Seacrest wrote:
Constitution lesson on how bills become Laws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_4LQ96Pds



Better

http://youtu.be/72e1cR2i3ag
Author:  Makaveli [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:01 pm ]
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stoneroses86 wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Considering we have no idea what action this would be, I find Ivans response just as logical as anyone elses in this thread.

This is very true. I think, however, that one may safely presume that any action from this man will not expand the protections afforded by the Second Amendment.


Except in his first term they did. The NRA still gave him an F.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:01 pm ]
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Makaveli wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
stoneroses86 wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Don't even know what to say anymore.

Amen to that.

How amusing that Eric "The Gun Runner" Holder was an attendee. I guess that our innocent people are more important than innocent Mexican people.

If there is one thing this xenophobic administration has proven, it's that our innocent people are infinitely more important than innocent people from other countries.


I was complaining about the drone strikes before you were but IMO as president of our country he should feel that way. I know that's fucked up but I would have an even bigger problem if he didn't.

That's when I was posting here like twice a year, but Im pretty sure it was one of the first things I mentioned when I got back to logging in here regularly. And it seems like I have a bigger problem with it than you do, but that is insignificant towards this discussion. In regards to the second part of your post, I know many people who feel the same way and I don't blame them for feeling that way even though I don't. I just dont think it justifies some of the actions taken by the Obama administration.
Author:  Seacrest [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:03 pm ]
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Krazy Ivan wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Constitution lesson on how bills become Laws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_4LQ96Pds



Better

http://youtu.be/72e1cR2i3ag



Better for who?
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:04 pm ]
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Makaveli wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Considering we have no idea what action this would be, I find Ivans response just as logical as anyone elses in this thread.


Exactly! It's possible he may deal with the mental health issues.

If his executive order in no way deals with taking any more rights/privelages/protections/whatever from US citizens, and instead focuses on improving mental health conditions and awareness, I will gladly apologize for prematurely criticizing. However, as SR pointed out, it can be very reasonably presumed that Biden is talking about dealing with guns in the executive order.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:05 pm ]
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Krazy Ivan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Krazy Ivan wrote:
deal with it?


Is this a bit?

No. It's standard fare response from someone when their guy is in office. Bush backers pretty much had the same attitude.


Read.

I do. It's fuuuuuun-damental.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:05 pm ]
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Krazy Ivan wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Constitution lesson on how bills become Laws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_4LQ96Pds



Better

http://youtu.be/72e1cR2i3ag


Best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl3sgKj6oTQ
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:06 pm ]
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Makaveli wrote:
stoneroses86 wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Considering we have no idea what action this would be, I find Ivans response just as logical as anyone elses in this thread.

This is very true. I think, however, that one may safely presume that any action from this man will not expand the protections afforded by the Second Amendment.


Except in his first term they did. The NRA still gave him an F.

Things change. He was also against gay marriage in his first term.
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