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Author: | jimmypasta [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
PHOENIX (AP) — The self-proclaimed "America's Toughest Sheriff" joined forces this weekend with action movie star Steven Seagal to train volunteer armed posse members to defend Phoenix-area schools against gunmen. Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio announced the controversial plan in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., school shooting that left 27 people dead, including the gunman and 20 first-graders. The exercise took place Saturday at a closed school site in suburban Fountain Hills, outside Phoenix, where sheriff's SWAT members acted as shooters and teenagers played the part of students during mock scenarios involving up to three gunmen. Seagal, best known for his roles in movies such as "Above the Law" and "Under Siege," planned to lead training on hand-to-hand defense tactics, among other techniques, drawing from his expertise in martial arts, according to a sheriff's office news release. Arpaio's office didn't respond to requests for comment Friday and Saturday, and Seagal representatives also did not return telephone messages from The Associated Press. When faced with criticism in January about the school posse plan, Arpaio snapped back, "Why would people complain about my posse being in front of schools to act as prevention?" He boldly announced the plan on the grounds of an elementary school, saying at the time he wanted the patrols publicized. "I want everyone to know about it for the deterrence effect," Arpaio said, adding that no taxpayer money would be spent on the patrols and volunteers will be supervised over the radio or telephone by actual deputies. Arizona Democratic House Minority Leader Chad Campbell called the plan to use Seagal as an instructor "ludicrous." "Steve Seagal is an actor. That's it. Why don't we also have Clint Eastwood and Chuck Norris and Bruce Willis come out and train them too while we're at it," Campbell said. Campbell has been a vocal critic of Arpaio's school posse protection plan, complaining that using untrained, armed civilians to protect students is a bad idea and likely will only make the facilities more dangerous. "He's making a mockery out of it. You're having a movie actor train people how to protect schools?" Campbell said. Randy Parraz, president of Citizens for a Better Arizona, also a longtime Arpaio critic, said it's unfortunate the sheriff, known nationally for his tough stance on illegal immigration, is using the "wake of a tragedy like Newtown" to grab headlines. "We'd like to think he would take something like this much more seriously," said Parraz, who added that his group planned to be at Saturday's event with petitions to recall Arpaio. The patrols were launched at 59 schools in January throughout unincorporated areas and communities that pay Arpaio's agency for police services. The sheriff announced this week he needs more members to continue the patrols, calling for 1,000 additional citizens to step up and volunteer. Current posse members already are used to bolster the sheriff's office force by providing police protection at malls during the holidays, directing traffic and transporting people to jail. Arpaio even sent one group of posse members to Hawaii to conduct an examination into the authenticity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate. Joselyn Wells, a mother of three children at a school in suburban Phoenix, where Arpaio's posse has begun patrolling, said she was excited to hear about the initiative. "A lot of people sit around and watch these things happen, watch key signs and no one wants to do anything about it," she said when Arpaio announced the plan. "Nobody wants conflict, nobody wants to be out in the limelight. And he doesn't care. He wants to do the right thing." Andrew Sanchez, however, a town council member in Guadalupe, said he wants nothing to do with posse members patrolling schools in his community, which spends about $1.2 million annually for Maricopa County sheriff's patrols. "We are paying him to have certified deputies here, not to bring a circus and not to use our town as a political platform," Sanchez has said. The volunteers, dressed in uniforms and driving patrol vehicles, some authorized to carry guns after training, won't go onto school grounds unless they spot danger, but will instead patrol around the facilities, Arpaio said. Seagal is already a volunteer posse member in Maricopa County and has been deputized with sheriff's offices in New Mexico, Texas and Louisiana, where a film crew followed the actor on ride-alongs with Jefferson Parish sheriff's deputies for the reality TV show "Steven Seagal: Lawman." Arpaio says other notable people also have joined his more than 3,000-strong volunteer armed posse, including "The Incredible Hulk" star Lou Ferrigno and actor Peter Lupus of TV's "Mission: Impossible." |
Author: | jimmypasta [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Opinion: Nothing wrong with having volunteer patrols driving around schools. If there is a chance somebody can spot something and phone it in,it matters. Seconds count. Anything done to add seconds to a possible deranged mad man's scheme can save lives. The Steven Segal part is grandstanding. A real Karate champion like Chuck Norris would be more plausible. |
Author: | Douchebag [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Opinion: This will end causing some child or innocent person to be shot rather than saving any lives of children. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
JOE ARPAIO GO THE FUCK AWAY |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Curious Hair wrote: JOE ARPAIO GO THE FUCK AWAY He's America's sheriff. |
Author: | Colonel Angus [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
If the LAPD can't shoot the right fucking truck, what makes anyone think that a militia of drunken rednecks trained by c-list action "star" Steven Segal would do any better? |
Author: | Darkside [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Colonel Angus wrote: If the LAPD can't shoot the right fucking truck, what makes anyone think that a militia of drunken rednecks trained by c-list action "star" Steven Segal would do any better? Drunken rednecks? |
Author: | Douchebag [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Darkside wrote: Colonel Angus wrote: If the LAPD can't shoot the right fucking truck, what makes anyone think that a militia of drunken rednecks trained by c-list action "star" Steven Segal would do any better? Drunken rednecks? A.K.A. Volunteer Posse. |
Author: | Darkside [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Jesus. So what is it people? Do we sue schools for doing nothing extra to protect kids from the literally one in a million chance that soneone snaps and goes bonkers or do we try to get volunteers trained properly to defend kids against the unlikely scenarios that probably won't arise? |
Author: | jimmypasta [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
In the article it says they are just driving by the schools. I really don't think there is anything wrong with that. If somebody spots a suspicious person walking to the school and phones it in,what could it hurt. I think the most recent nutjob was already dressed in gear before he approached the school. |
Author: | Telegram Sam [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Quote: Arpaio said, adding that no taxpayer money would be spent on the patrols and volunteers will be supervised over the radio or telephone by actual deputies. There is no possible way that this is true. Are they using municiple marked vehicles and, if so renting them from the municipalities and gassing them? are they using police radios or just easily scammable shortwave channels? Whether it is grandstanding or not, what is alarming is that he appears to be circumventing getting voter approval for this initative by making it seem to be charitible. Who's getting sued when something goes wrong? Who do these people report to? Can they disobey without binding ramifications? |
Author: | KDdidit [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Darkside wrote: Jesus. So what is it people? Do we sue schools for doing nothing extra to protect kids from the literally one in a million chance that soneone snaps and goes bonkers or do we try to get volunteers trained properly to defend kids against the unlikely scenarios that probably won't arise? Yes, schools shouldn't over react to one in a million shit happening by having Sheriff Joe and Steven Seagal "properly train" them local yokels to shoot brown people on sight and magically become aikido blackbelts. |
Author: | Darkside [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
First, what's the deal here? Why are we calling these people "drunken rednecks" and "yokels"? What kind of shit is that? Secondly, should these sheriffs and schools do nothing? Would you mind parents taking their kinds to school while armed? |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Because the only people who usually are part of a posse are yokels and drunken rednecks. Sheriff Joe is an idiot. Organizing citizens in a type of community watch is cool. Letting them roam around to shoot suspicious people is not. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Darkside wrote: First, what's the deal here? Why are we calling these people "drunken rednecks" and "yokels"? What kind of shit is that? It's Arizona. The state is full to bursting with drunken rednecks and yokels. And who volunteers to hang around with some fascist nutball and play with guns? Why, probably drunken rednecks and yokels! Arizona is becoming such a nightmare of a place. It's a garbage dump for humans. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Curious Hair wrote: Darkside wrote: First, what's the deal here? Why are we calling these people "drunken rednecks" and "yokels"? What kind of shit is that? It's Arizona. The state is full to bursting with drunken rednecks and yokels. And who volunteers to hang around with some fascist nutball and play with guns? Why, probably drunken rednecks and yokels! Arizona is becoming such a nightmare of a place. It's a garbage dump for humans. Oh brother.... |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Curious Hair wrote: Darkside wrote: First, what's the deal here? Why are we calling these people "drunken rednecks" and "yokels"? What kind of shit is that? It's Arizona. The state is full to bursting with drunken rednecks and yokels. And who volunteers to hang around with some fascist nutball and play with guns? Why, probably drunken rednecks and yokels! Arizona is becoming such a nightmare of a place. It's a garbage dump for humans. Especially Mesa in February and March. |
Author: | Darkside [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
We livein illinois. We have the shittiest state government of them all. We have one of the most violent murderous cities in america. Who the fuck are we tto judge others like that? |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
We're Americans. It's only natural for us to judge others despite our own failings. |
Author: | Darkside [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Terry's Peeps wrote: We're Americans. It's only natural for us to judge others despite our own failings. Ok. All bullshit namecalling aside, should we do something or nothing? |
Author: | KDdidit [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Darkside wrote: First, what's the deal here? Why are we calling these people "drunken rednecks" and "yokels"? What kind of shit is that? Secondly, should these sheriffs and schools do nothing? Would you mind parents taking their kinds to school while armed? I wouldn't mind if they did nothing. I'm guessing school shootings will happen way more often when this generation of children who go to school everyday and are given a constant barrage of messages telling them they're in constant danger and should be scared all the time as well as also being told guns are super awesome and will solve this safety problem finally grow up and become maladjusted psychos. And you bet I'd mind if parents started showing up at school with guns (I'm sure some already do). If you think school's not safe then homeschool your kids, don't make school an even less conducive environment for learning by reinforcing the idea schools are dangerous places where without people they don't even know carrying guns they'll be killed at any moment. |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Darkside wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: We're Americans. It's only natural for us to judge others despite our own failings. Ok. All bullshit namecalling aside, should we do something or nothing? Something. I just don't think armed citizens thinking they have free reign to shoot suspicious people is a good idea. |
Author: | Darkside [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Darkside wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: We're Americans. It's only natural for us to judge others despite our own failings. Ok. All bullshit namecalling aside, should we do something or nothing? Something. I just don't think armed citizens thinking they have free reign to shoot suspicious people is a good idea. That's quite a leap of logic there that anyone would think they have free reign to shoot suspiscious people. Put aside the propaganda for a moment. What soultion would you offer? |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Darkside wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Darkside wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: We're Americans. It's only natural for us to judge others despite our own failings. Ok. All bullshit namecalling aside, should we do something or nothing? Something. I just don't think armed citizens thinking they have free reign to shoot suspicious people is a good idea. That's quite a leap of logic there that anyone would think they have free reign to shoot suspiscious people. Put aside the propaganda for a moment. What soultion would you offer? Well it's not that big of a leap after seeing what's been going on in LA. As I said earlier if you want to use civilians, organize them into community patrols and have them patrol around schools unarmed. Or hire more law enforcement. |
Author: | Darkside [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Well it's not that big of a leap after seeing what's been going on in LA. As I said earlier if you want to use civilians, organize them into community patrols and have them patrol around schools unarmed. Or hire more law enforcement. It's a huge leap. What good do unarmed patrols do against armed people determined to kill as many as possible before being killed themselves? How do you pay for more law enforcement when budgets are stretched thin already? Do the schools pay for them? Should every police district in America hire two or three more cops to prevent the one in a million chance? |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Telegram Sam wrote: Whether it is grandstanding or not, what is alarming is that he appears to be circumventing getting voter approval for this initative by making it seem to be charitible. He has to circumvent voter approval; that there's a recall petition going against him would indicate that he wouldn't get the approval. Maybe the good people of Arizona are finally realizing what a sick, sick fuck Joe Arpaio is. |
Author: | Baby McNown [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Darkside wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Well it's not that big of a leap after seeing what's been going on in LA. As I said earlier if you want to use civilians, organize them into community patrols and have them patrol around schools unarmed. Or hire more law enforcement. It's a huge leap. What good do unarmed patrols do against armed people determined to kill as many as possible before being killed themselves? How do you pay for more law enforcement when budgets are stretched thin already? Do the schools pay for them? Should every police district in America hire two or three more cops to prevent the one in a million chance? Darko it says right in the article that some of them will be armed. |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Trained law enforcement officers have been shooting at suspicious cars for the past few days, so it's not a huge leap to think civilians "trained" by Steven Segal would be capable of doing the same. Unarmed patrol would do as much good as armed posse without the possibility of turning a school into the Wild West. |
Author: | Dave In Champaign [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:21 pm ] |
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Quote: Arpaio even sent one group of posse members to Hawaii to conduct an examination into the authenticity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate. HOW DARE WE JUDGE THESE PEOPLE |
Author: | Darkside [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Steven Seagal, sheriff train Arizonans to guard schools |
Baby McNown wrote: Darkside wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Well it's not that big of a leap after seeing what's been going on in LA. As I said earlier if you want to use civilians, organize them into community patrols and have them patrol around schools unarmed. Or hire more law enforcement. It's a huge leap. What good do unarmed patrols do against armed people determined to kill as many as possible before being killed themselves? How do you pay for more law enforcement when budgets are stretched thin already? Do the schools pay for them? Should every police district in America hire two or three more cops to prevent the one in a million chance? Darko it says right in the article that some of them will be armed. You misread our posts. We know they're armed |
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