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Author:  Northside_Dan [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:31 pm ]
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Just feeling generally disheartened about the #slowtrack the careers been on. Strongly considering Grad School. I'm currently more or less debt free which has been the one thing really holding me back. Hoping for advice, worth it? Good schools? Etc.

Thanks.

Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:35 pm ]
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Area of study?

Author:  Douchebag [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:37 pm ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
Just feeling generally disheartened about the #slowtrack the careers been on. Strongly considering Grad School. I'm currently more or less debt free which has been the one thing really holding me back. Hoping for advice, worth it? Good schools? Etc.

Thanks.

I see it as something that could be useful later in life, and completely useless if you don't have much experience in whatever field you work in. You're a relatively young guy, right? What would a grad school degree do for you in your field?

Author:  Brick [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:39 pm ]
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Is the goal a career change or to get further along with your career?

Author:  bigfan [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:40 pm ]
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You will make more money

Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:41 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
You will make more money

Not necessarily true.

Author:  Northside_Dan [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:42 pm ]
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My degrees are essentially useless unless I go to Law School or teach. Double major is History and Political Science. I work in IT currently sitting at a desk playing with Excel and Microsoft Access Databases all day, it's kind of awful, pays terribly and the company is going bankrupt.

Author:  conns7901 [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:45 pm ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
My degrees are essentially useless unless I go to Law School or teach. Double major is History and Political Science. I work in IT currently sitting at a desk playing with Excel and Microsoft Access Databases all day, it's kind of awful, pays terribly and the company is going bankrupt.


What was your initial goal out of school?

Author:  doug - evergreen park [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:49 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
bigfan wrote:
You will make more money

Not necessarily true.


Especially if there are no jobs available in your field of study within 40 miles.

Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:52 pm ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
My degrees are essentially useless unless I go to Law School or teach. Double major is History and Political Science. I work in IT currently sitting at a desk playing with Excel and Microsoft Access Databases all day, it's kind of awful, pays terribly and the company is going bankrupt.

Are you interested at all in information technology?

Depends on whether you're mobile and go do this fulltime. I'm biased but a two of my college roommates wanted to stick around IU and enrolled in Master of Science in Information Systems. The program is offered through IU's Kelley School of Business (has a great rep and still rising). Your familiarity with Access and Excel should work well with admissions process. Both got full-time consulting gigs.

Author:  bigfan [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:52 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
bigfan wrote:
You will make more money

Not necessarily true.

Yes it is, it is an absolute truth, 100% guaranteed.

Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:56 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
bigfan wrote:
You will make more money

Not necessarily true.

Yes it is, it is an absolute truth, 100% guaranteed.

Alright, a dig at Obama, har har. :roll: Any credible suggestions, NSD is looking for legit help.

Author:  Psycory [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:56 pm ]
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There are so many factors that your question is kinda vague:
What field?
Masters or further?
Are you willing to go out of the area?
Do you want to be a full-time student or are you going to be trying to get your degree around your work schedule?
These are just some questions that should be answered.

Author:  bigfan [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:00 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
bigfan wrote:
You will make more money

Not necessarily true.

Yes it is, it is an absolute truth, 100% guaranteed.

Alright, a dig at Obama, har har. :roll: Any credible suggestions, NSD is looking for legit help.


It's not a dig at Obama, but for the most part you will get a better job. You will get more interviews.

Author:  Douchebag [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:03 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Yes it is, it is an absolute truth, 100% guaranteed.

Alright, a dig at Obama, har har. :roll: Any credible suggestions, NSD is looking for legit help.


It's not a dig at Obama, but for the most part you will get a better job. You will get more interviews.

Experience trumps everything.

If I get a resume of someone who has been a lifelong student, and has a grad school degree, versus someone with 5 years experience, I'd hire the more experienced person probably every time.

Author:  Brick [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:07 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
My degrees are essentially useless unless I go to Law School or teach. Double major is History and Political Science. I work in IT currently sitting at a desk playing with Excel and Microsoft Access Databases all day, it's kind of awful, pays terribly and the company is going bankrupt.

Are you interested at all in information technology?

Depends on whether you're mobile and go do this fulltime. I'm biased but a two of my college roommates wanted to stick around IU and enrolled in Master of Science in Information Systems. The program is offered through IU's Kelley School of Business (has a great rep and still rising). Your familiarity with Access and Excel should work well with admissions process. Both got full-time consulting gigs.
I would not recommend doing an informations systems program through a business school. Do it through a place that will teach you how to be prepared for whatever the hot technology is in ten years. If even 50% of the curriculum is based on business you likely won't learn enough to be able to prepare yourself to constantly change what programming language or other technology you are using.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:37 pm ]
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What's the downside to grad school?

Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:41 pm ]
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I have two relatively useless grad degrees (econ, education). If you are under 30, an MBA from a decent school is probably a good investment. I am a big proponent of starting your own business...a real business, not like I'm unemployed so I'll call myself self-employed kind of a business.

Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:47 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
What's the downside to grad school?

Poor ROI. A person incurs ten-of-thousands in debt without an improvement in job prospects.

For example, how does a graduate degree in Russian literatue improve your marketability?

Or more realistically, the glut of lawyers entering the job market. Many people went to law school to "wait out" the recession leading to an oversupply of lawyers. Now many people can't find high-paying law jobs to service their debt.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:50 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
What's the downside to grad school?

Poor ROI. A person incurs ten-of-thousands in debt without an improvement in job prospects.

For example, how does a graduate degree in Russian literatue improve your marketability?

Or more realistically, the glut of lawyers entering the job market. Many people went to law school to "wait out" the recession leading to an oversupply of lawyers. Now many people can't find high-paying law jobs to service their debt.

Well I assumed we were talking a valuable degree. Just wondering what the cost and loan stuff is like. Is it a good investment?

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:55 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
It's not a dig at Obama, but for the most part you will get a better job. You will get more interviews.
Just think of all the interviews you could get if you got your doctorate!

Author:  bigfan [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:56 pm ]
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Frank going to enlighten us with your views?

Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:57 pm ]
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You could be a male nurse and work with tons of hot and horny poon.

Author:  Brick [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:58 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Well I assumed we were talking a valuable degree. Just wondering what the cost and loan stuff is like. Is it a good investment?
It depends. If it's for a life change, then it is almost always worth it for happiness reasons alone. Just pick something that you don't hate, and something that you can make money with. If it's just to improve your current career it may not do much more than someone working for 2 years. An MBA can make a bigger difference there depending on what you want to do and if you are interested in management.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:59 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
Frank going to enlighten us with your views?
I don't know what Dan should do. So rather than say something stupid and not necessarily true like you did, I won't say anything at all except good luck to Mr Dan.

Author:  bigfan [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:03 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Frank going to enlighten us with your views?
I don't know what Dan should do. So rather than say something stupid and not necessarily true like you did, I won't say anything at all except good luck to Mr Dan.


So, getting more interviews is stupid? being exposed to more job possibilities is a 'Stupid thing"

Anything else you can help us out with here?

So much for your theory on not saying anything stupid, but I know you have much more to share with us.

Author:  Northside_Dan [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:03 pm ]
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conns7901 wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
My degrees are essentially useless unless I go to Law School or teach. Double major is History and Political Science. I work in IT currently sitting at a desk playing with Excel and Microsoft Access Databases all day, it's kind of awful, pays terribly and the company is going bankrupt.


What was your initial goal out of school?


Take a year off, work and save money and then go get certified to teach. Eventually European History at the college level. I didn't due to the difficulty of teaching jobs in the area and I'm committed to staying in Chicagoland for various reasons. Couldn't justify the 60k+ debt without being fairly certain my job prospects would improve.

Kirkwood wrote:
Or more realistically, the glut of lawyers entering the job market. Many people went to law school to "wait out" the recession leading to an oversupply of lawyers. Now many people can't find high-paying law jobs to service their debt.


This is very true. One of many reasons law school does not appeal to me at all.

Kirkwood wrote:
Are you interested at all in information technology?


I can be. I'm good at it and relatively enjoy new challenges and projects when I actually put my process analyst hat on here. I just go stir crazy sitting at a desk and meetings all day. Love my serving side job 10X more than here.

Author:  Brick [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:05 pm ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
I can be. I'm good at it and relatively enjoy new challenges and projects when I actually put my process analyst hat on here. I just go stir crazy sitting at a desk and meetings all day. Love my serving side job 10X more than here.
An MBA in hospitality management could make sense especially since you have restaurant experience already.

Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:06 pm ]
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Your undergrad school may have free/cheap career counseling. Couldn't hurt to talk to them.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:07 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
So, getting more interviews is stupid? being exposed to more job possibilities is a 'Stupid thing"
Going to grad school does not necessarily mean he will more interviews. Those interviews do not necessarily mean that its an "absolute truth, 100% guaranteed" that he "will make more money" than he is right now. Sure its likely, but certainly not an "absolute truth."

Stupid was the correct adjective to use there.

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